In Germany the Abortion System is kinda nice.

You shouldn't count women that have children after abortion for this

So it's not much

you have to go to a 3rd party and talk with them, get a piece of paper.
Then you have to wait 72h after that.
With that you can go to a hospital and kill your baby

Stefan you seem reluctant to have a civil war in Europe, why?

Fewer children mean families have more time and resource per child. And apparently millenials have a had enough time adulting.

@Yuukimaru because I don't like war but have to admit that it is sometimes necessary for various reasons.
I don't like the thought of having a civil war, but the way its going, its inevitable due to fuckups from the Gouvernment....
And the Political divide in the west...

Fair enough

Just see the violence escalating or the political discrimination.

Germany seems to be a bit further down the line than the US 😦

Reduction in fertility is the best rebuttal against socialism imo.

i disagree with the convention that depopulation is a bad thing. no population is a bad thing, a population decrease from a the maximum a **healthy** ecosystem can supost is a bad thing, but depopulation within the most decadent population on the planet propped up soully on the progress generated by a quickly evaporating finite resource, whos growth had to push the boundrys of what the ecosystem could support every decade for the last 400 years to a point where it could barely maintain any other living animal with the same consumption needs as that, severly culling the natural territorys of hundreds of other species in order to make room for the artificual infastructure that population requires.

that depopulation? i dont really see as a bad thing, nor a perminant thing

It will fix itself anyway...

we are at the edge of where we can live comfertibly and we force feed other populations on earth to grow at the same rate we have and will eventually not be able to feed them. the mass extinction of human life isint going to happen in europe without unnatural interference, id aim a bit lower

theres a contanent on this planet with a billion people living on it and can likely only feed 100 million

and theres NO way to save them

well thats not true, but their starvation will come at the same time as modern societys starvation, modern society dispite its facade of empathy for other people is extremely selfish, especially the most decadent. they care about human life the same way a child does, they have so much so they give away to others but when they perceive themselves actually losing something, they will raise hell to keep it

I have lost all hope for Africa....

what really pisses me off are those Africanophile People, who don't know shit about the crap going on there...

and that "the white man" is not the issue there.

africa wont become extinct, it will simply have the greatest human death the world has ever seen on it

Yeah and we should keep our fingers out of there...

our fingers support 1 billion people there, keeping our fingers out is long long past us

Thing is: we feed them, they make more babys -> More people starve.

and that is a circle that won't end.

if the united states pulled its support out of africa fully you would see an attempted mass migration into europe that makes the current one look like a drip in the bucket, and the ideology of europe doesent know how to handle that right now. best case scenario they let them die, any other scenario is we lose europe

Exactly...

and the thing in Europe will be over before too long anyway...

nah i dont think so

The "right wing Nazi-Populists" are rising

they are trying to end europe but they have to deal with the eventual end of globalism at some point to and thats just a deck of cards built of a sand castle as the tide is coming in

They will fail because the native people are very unhappy with the radical changes and the people that came in in the last couple of years.

The reason for depopulation is often the issue tbh, as with Japan

whats most likely to happen is that the us wont pull out of africa until the entire world is threatened by an economic collapse, the world being in an economic collapse means that europe will also want to prevent damage to their economy, even the most ideological of them will realize that the horde will fuck them if they let them in, even those at the top will get fucked, and an economic crisis gives them the chance to be authoritarian without using international autruism as their defense for it, they would be able to argue national (or contanental) defense to rule with an iron fist and maintain their positions in government

Its society + Feminism.

It honestly mostly seems to be the corporate structure and lack of incentives to get involved in family-creating

Japan's got a bit of an existential crisis going on right now, from what I can tell

Yeah, that as well. Plus bleak future outlooks.

Suicide rate+lack of motivation (resulting, in some cases, in Hikkikomori) is not a good form of depopulation

they dont have enough room to maintain familys. not just future familys but even the ones they have now. this is a problem that america has to though its not quite as bad because we have a lot more room

I dont think it's limited to space issues at all