the reason we critisize genocide so much in hignsight often is that we recognize as many things in hignsight how easly genocide could have been avoided or how unnessicary genocide was. i actually see the genocide of the palestinians being more reasonible than many other genocides i can think of off the top of my head however those at the time doing them would likely see them as completely justified, reasonible, and purely for their own survival

i think we can easly critisize israel for arguing it wouldent need a genocide in order to maintain its regime or their lack of forthought if they thought they would be able to maintain peace or creation homoginy in israel while keeping the muslims there (though thats a bit of a sins of the father arguement at this point). we can point out the irony of jewish people needing to commit genocide "for blood and soil". but ultimately none of that really matters to the people living there, if they cant see peace on either side and will never compramise and their children will never be able to form a homogynus socity then they have to do whats nessicary for their future, and one of them may need to die.

oh nice... jordan peterson and stephen fry on the same stage... this should be good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0

first speaker has already taken peterson out of context... he doesnt look happy 😛

im about an hour into it and ive heard almost nothing from the left side of the stage with any substance

stephen fry is killin it

have you got to the angry peterson bit yet? 😛

i think id rather hear fry and peterson debate

at least something might be said

are you talking about peterson pointing out dyson's racism and then him doubling down?

ya

im so confused how you can argue for group justice and mix it with individual liberty

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-texas-ammo-box-military-chopper-crashes-into-parkland-elementary-school-2018-05-18/

cnn: "another school shooting"

fry nailed it in the end there

dyson had nothing useful to say the entire time

just confirming his own bigotry and hatred of history

and goldberg has little to say of anything

sounding more guilty and confused

also disliking history

I always agree with most of what fry says... and when I disagree with him, he says a few words and suddenly Im in agreement with him 😛

hes a great persuader

the nonstop hackjob against peterson is really off putting

even IF it was all true 100%

it seems so petty

what's true about it?

nothing i heard in the video

?

Havne' watched the video, assuming you're talking about hte NYT article

no there is this debate thing on youtube

and other things

yeah I'm watching it

its like 2 hours long

https://www.munkdebates.com/The-Debates/Political-Correctness

so basically fry/peterson gained 6% post debate if you take their poll as scientific

also the video on that page is quite a bit better quality

for the room at least

yeah

3000 some odd people

Dyson is a complete hack

the end bit

the post interview

at least i know to skip his part in anything