Message from @Beemann

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2018-09-27 00:13:56 UTC  

okay in the short term, you would want to stick with what works the best for the entire scene

2018-09-27 00:14:07 UTC  

in the long term, when the fork gets better, you adopt that

2018-09-27 00:14:21 UTC  

that depends on who you're talking about, but sure

2018-09-27 00:14:25 UTC  

if you want to be an early adopter and use the fork as soon as it comes out, thats fine and all

2018-09-27 00:14:42 UTC  

but if you want stability or just want to run a server, you really dont want this

2018-09-27 00:15:14 UTC  

as linux has a stronger presence in the enterprise industry, it would seem to mater there

2018-09-27 00:15:29 UTC  

this coc change affects the home, non-commercial users

2018-09-27 00:15:33 UTC  

give it a few years

2018-09-27 00:15:45 UTC  

it will then affect those who runs servers

2018-09-27 00:16:10 UTC  

the CoC affects everything really
>important contributor hates CoC
>works on fork instead
>fork now has important changes and no CoC

2018-09-27 00:16:41 UTC  

>company now has to choose between CoC version and version with important changes

2018-09-27 00:16:56 UTC  

well the coc means nothing if you dont actively contribute to the scene

2018-09-27 00:17:06 UTC  

if you are paranoid, then sure it would

2018-09-27 00:17:08 UTC  

they are actively contributing, just not to that branch

2018-09-27 00:17:20 UTC  

but just wait until people start pulling their code out of the kernel

2018-09-27 00:17:25 UTC  

like look at LibreOffice/OpenOffice

2018-09-27 00:17:45 UTC  

OpenOffice creator was a dick, so they just forked it. Done

2018-09-27 00:17:56 UTC  

okay thats fine

2018-09-27 00:18:03 UTC  

Look at Nexuiz, where the rights holder decided to go commercial. They changed the name and some assets. Done

2018-09-27 00:18:05 UTC  

its not like the entire backend to the os

2018-09-27 00:18:13 UTC  

no, but it's the same process

2018-09-27 00:18:43 UTC  

do bare im mind that not all open source projects arent treated equally

2018-09-27 00:19:05 UTC  

Sure, but they adhere to the same legal standards as long as they follow the same license

2018-09-27 00:19:13 UTC  

or similar

2018-09-27 00:19:23 UTC  

you can mix and match them

2018-09-27 00:19:30 UTC  

but dont like release that to the public

2018-09-27 00:19:40 UTC  

its one way or the other

2018-09-27 00:19:48 UTC  

well the ways in which they can be mixed is a little more complicated

2018-09-27 00:19:52 UTC  

unless you got the rights to do so and they sign off on it

2018-09-27 00:20:50 UTC  

Like you couldnt just take Xonotic and go "lol it's paid now", nor can you feasibly change the license to say "Only weebs can contribute and request source" without consulting the other people who contributed

2018-09-27 00:21:07 UTC  

but even if that *does* happen, everything up until 10.fucked edition works fine

2018-09-27 00:21:16 UTC  

or at least as well as it ever did

2018-09-27 00:21:26 UTC  

and you just use that until shit gets sorted

2018-09-27 00:21:43 UTC  

you know what i find very interesting about all of this?

2018-09-27 00:21:56 UTC  

only those that are with a rolling release is currently affected by this

2018-09-27 00:22:25 UTC  

semi-rolling arent going to be affected for at least 6 months from now

2018-09-27 00:23:03 UTC  

then you got the ubuntu way of rolling out updates which if you are a lts user, it can take upmost of 2 years before you see that catastrophic affect

2018-09-27 00:25:01 UTC  

anyways im not too worried about it now but im quite concerned about our future

2018-09-27 00:27:59 UTC  

I think if people want a solution to this problem it wouldnt be hard for them to produce one

2018-09-27 00:28:21 UTC  

unless like.. 100% of contributors want the CoC and all other associated changes

2018-09-27 00:29:12 UTC  

not all of them would want it