I am pretty disappointed in the lack of any really good, consistent arguments against Atheism itself.

Especially on Youtube.

Man, I wished this guy was still around now-a-days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZimD8DKiPTU

Until a god is proven real there wont be

Excpet for the fact that Atheism has no sense of unity except for the universal principle of "everything is relative."

Atheism is, in a sense, one projection of the total philosphy of post-modernism (i.e. everything is relative and all things are subjective).

It doesnt need unity

You do if you want to even have a society to begin with.

It isnt a religion in itself but a rejection of it

Which is why Atheism is always doomed to bring about chaos.

And you dont need religion to have a society

Just set morals

If you need to believe in a god to not rape steal or murder then thats a pretty shit society regardless of whether theres a god or not

"Just set morals."

Again, if everything is relative, why should anyone follow a set of morals?

If you want to have a free society, you need to have religion. If you want to have a society that actually progresses, you need to have religion.

Without religion, you have authoritarianism and, in the end, nothing.

Why should anyone follow a set of morals from a god they dont know exists

Furthermore having religion isnt always the right way as the religions have fought against each other by saying another religion is different.

Or that their belief is false somehow.

On top of that you cant teach religion in school anymore. How do you suppose to go about teaching morals or ethics through religion? Through which religion?

Basic ethics can be taught without religion and works more with the law and how laws are made.

On top of that ethics and morals are already enforced by learning institutions, public office and government jobs.

>why should anyone follow a set of morals form a god they dont know exists

ask that to literally the billions of people throughout history who did the very thing you question

it's a weak point and should be discounted

That anyone with any shred of legitimate real world power would follow them is enough to follow them.

as long as you believe that humans are significant and unique in the vast cosmos, and that you believe we have an innate moral compass, that's good enough for me

i really hate people who say we are no different than animals

who say we are equal to animals

we are superior to animals

Humans > non-humans

My retort was in direct relation to his

though i am very skeptical of atheists, because at least in my own eyes, God's existence is self-evident in everything we know about our universe
but different people will take away different meanings about things

If people can follow morales because god they can follow them to not be a cunt

That morales somehow only become valid if god is watching is a ridiculous assertion.

i believe humans have an innate moral compass, whether or not that derives from God is irrelevant

As do I

if someone does not believe murder or theft, etc is immoral, they are wrong

moral relativism is annoying -- there are certain things that are subjective

I also believe that bad is a matter of placing your needs above the same needs of another just because

but there are very objective moral stances that humans must take

lest we stop being human

Saying morals are relitive is a cop out