and nazi germany and italy didint fail per say.
they were defeated.

Okay Stefan Molyneux bot. I agree it's not an argument that's why I threw it in your face.

I made the same argument you made for fascism for communism it's an idiotic argument.

what you mean?
germanys economy was strong and it brought propsperity, people were happy.

Show me stats that show Germans being happy during it's fascist regime. That's something you pulled out of your ass because you fetishize Nazis, not an actual fact.

_technically_ there were a large amount of people that were happy. There was also a large section that wasn't.

what kind of "happy" statistic you want🤔

Anything that's not you making something up because you adore Hitler.

Yeah there were a lot of people that were happy under stalin, that it was arguably the greatest super power known to the world at it's peak.

Communism is great isn't it?

Again this is what you sound like @Jasse

This is your argument.

Oh yeah. And no one ever feigned happiness under threat of being killed for not following party doctrine.

In Nazi germany, everyone was a nazi

you weren't allowed to not be

Fascism was a new form of socialism, because they thought the comies were too soft on their people.

in all fairness, fascism is a more practical version of socialism

So is comunism.

Well yeah it takes into account that humans are actually humans

Communism is designed for bugs

communism is an ideal that has never been achieved

communism is the least practical

Stalinism?

Let's go with that.

5 year plans were succesful in industrialising Russia

Yeah, when you throw your civilians into a wood chipper you can get some results

@Dennafen https://youtu.be/LQdDnbXXn20

USSR was not a Communist end-state. Nobody has achieved that. The boot process is fucked

All I'm saying is that Fascism fucks up countries, as much as communism does, and it's only slight better because once the initial ruler dies it falls apart.

Lol yeah soldiers are touting party doctrine, Surprise surprise. Civilians please

also hitlers definition of socialism have nothing to do with communism.

Yes they were good engineers, and them having 30k ton presses was a real useful tool for their war machine, they're still an oppressive, authoritarian blight on the world.

But the good engineering was because Germans are good at it, not because the Nazis made them better.

Good for him?

And it did.

So there's that.

These soldiers aren't defending fascism, they're saying "Fuck these stupid communists they are trying to take control of Europe"

Which they were

Socialism is a derivative of communist ideals.

All socialism.

All. Of. It.