I think that's a reasonable assumption. The value of your labor has not changed. The price simply is a misstatement of its relative value under minimum wage.

Well then. Are the same people opposing the (solidarity-motivated) minimum wage offering alternatives, in your opinion?

What did change however is the value of the paper you are awarded in the end of the month. Inflation and all that. Unfortunately countries don't automatically accommodate for inflation for some reason.

Thus the original minimum wage is always decreasing

For some reason you can't say that capitalism is fucking people over increasingly without getting labelled a socialist. Which is beside the point, though, because, you know, it is.

Capitalism is the natural way. Unfortunately as a by-product it creates poverty.

So then, more solutions, less smear, please.

Smear? Or you weren't talking to me?

...or whatever prevents people from having fruitful conversations these days.

Like maybe I'm romantic and try to see the good in people, but with the example of Mrs. Cortez, becoming a public figure appears to have revealed how little clue she has - and only marginally how her ideas are in fact counterproductively terrible.

or maybe becoming a public figure means that you employ a board of advisers whose job it is to come up with that crap.

It seems that there is a lot of people who want to replace capitalism, but the only option they see is Socialism. Instead of trying to invent some new economic system, people just try to revive this monster.

I agree.

For example there was once a proposal to cap max money a person can have. And if you have an unspent amount in the end of the month - it goes to government.

So, just as you begin every new day with 24 hours, you will begin every month with some constant sum (based on your job and other factors) and have to live within this sum all the month

But it's hyper govt control if they are taking your money and telling you you're not allowed to save money

Why hyper?

> Are the same people opposing the (solidarity-motivated) minimum wage offering alternatives, in your opinion?

Alternatives to what?

I was against a similar proposal in my country, btw. I found it too stark on telling others how to do what they want, and it would have astronomically bumped tax evasion, too.

What problem are we trying to solve?

Just discussing are there reasonable alternatives to Capitalism

The market misstating the value of labor? It would solve that. No further steps are necessary.

@Undead Mockingbird let's try to address actively life-destroying jobs.

@mar77i Where are you that they wanted this? Canada?

Switzerland

Actively life-destroying jobs? I am not sure what you are on about.

Coal miners?

Youtubers?

Still, I am not sure what problem you are solving. You seem to imply it, but can you state it please?

You want to get rid of coal miners?

lol no.

How is that related to the minimum wage?

I am confused as hell right now.

It's it's because we were talking with mar77i and you jumped in the middle of the discussion

My thesis was that minimum wage leads to the price of labor misstating its worth. All theoretical foundation points to it, all outcomes point to it.

What are we debating?

I don't think youtubers or coal miners would fall in any of those categories.
I mean people who grew up in a bad place and only get in deeper shit trying to make ends meet gluing greeting cards or whatever.

I jumped in? I am not sure. I am slow to reply because I am at work.

@-𝕋𝕖𝕘𝕣𝕒- as a matter of fact @Undead Mockingbird started addressing a question I asked before we started discussing other things.

oh

But if the conversation moved on already, that's fine.

carry on then