Message from @LotheronPrime
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and if so, where do you draw the line
Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare
do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?
that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions
for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system
I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US
I'm not for it either
well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy
And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress
exactly
a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?
there isn't one
No one said there was one.
Don't pretend people are saying what they're not.
I also think a single payer system will stifle health-related research progress
"their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare"
given that the context was about healthcare being a human right, care to explain how that wouldn't mean a doctor would be forced to care for you?
People are self servng, they want to make money and as much of it.. healthcare is lucrative and that attracks thos ethat can spend r&d money
Because literally no one said anything about forcing someone to do work. I meant it being paid for through taxes.
Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. Thomas Paine is frequently sited as a libertarian, and he was in favor of UBI.
here's about as socialist as I'll go.. I don't think that anyone in a country as weathly as ours should have their entire lives ruined, financially, etc, because they get unlucky with something health related, ie. cancer
yeah, that would be like a VERY "positivistic" health care because they would just MAGICALLY give themselves the right to impose medical procedures onto YOU whether you like it or not
Nothing socialist about that if you ask me.
A voluntrarily "pay for what you want into it" healthcare system?
pay whsat you want never works
people don't want to pay
note that i edited "healthcare" with medical procedures....
Not a HSA but sort of alike a Volunteer Medicare for all. You are not forced, but if you want to, you can pay into it as a whole.
wont work either
thats basically obamacare
because to call medical services stuff "healthcare" is a misnomer as they really only manage illness, diseases, and injuries
health insurance companies are part of the problem with inflated prices in the US. which is just another reason obamacare was a flop
only you can decide to choose healthy living and well being to take premeptive care of your health into your own hands
im also not against people make money
buuut
I do have a moral delimma of people making money over someone elses misery
same as private prisons
Well, if it is not stated-funded, then people can take it to the courts.
you can take the state to the courts too usually
all the healthcare youd ever want can be provided in the market economy. no good reason to risk monopolizing the industry in a wreckless policy that ppl dont even know how to implement due the inherent flaws of central planning
jsut like you can file a lawsuit against a police department, etc