Message from @Lagomaster24

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2018-08-17 23:25:13 UTC  

Protectionism only work so far though

2018-08-17 23:25:22 UTC  

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2018-08-17 23:25:25 UTC  

As much as we definitely need some form to protectionism

2018-08-17 23:25:26 UTC  

I'd say it harms, not even "only works so far"

2018-08-17 23:25:39 UTC  

I don't think it's harms when you have China that will does not follow any rules

2018-08-17 23:25:52 UTC  

How do US businesses compete better on a global market they aren't really part of?

2018-08-17 23:26:14 UTC  

Also how do us businesses compete in the global market where other governments subsidize the their business

2018-08-17 23:26:15 UTC  

well trade renegotiations might mitigate some of the issues

2018-08-17 23:26:28 UTC  

although i dont agree with the methods being used

2018-08-17 23:26:31 UTC  

For sure unilateral trade negotiations are the real answer not multinational trade deals

2018-08-17 23:26:32 UTC  

By lowering the cost of domestic business

2018-08-17 23:26:47 UTC  

The only way we can lower the cost of domestic businesses to automate

2018-08-17 23:27:12 UTC  

There are a lot of regulations in the US market

2018-08-17 23:27:18 UTC  

Alternatively we can have a premium product that competes well against other non-premium products

2018-08-17 23:27:22 UTC  

There are comparatively few in Mexico and China

2018-08-17 23:27:30 UTC  

right now in some regards the US is being taken advantage of in trade

2018-08-17 23:27:41 UTC  

Exactly

2018-08-17 23:27:58 UTC  

US also takes advantage in trade elsewhere

2018-08-17 23:28:07 UTC  

doesnt help that multi-national corporations arent restricted

2018-08-17 23:28:13 UTC  

And us businesses are basically competing against nation states

2018-08-17 23:28:17 UTC  

like AT ALL

2018-08-17 23:28:29 UTC  

yea thats why i said some

2018-08-17 23:29:14 UTC  

Like my employer WANTS to manufacture his product in the US but cannot afford it compared to China

2018-08-17 23:29:38 UTC  

the risk of getting it done in China is that the factories are STILL State owned

2018-08-17 23:29:54 UTC  

and therefor at any time said factory can be shut down

2018-08-17 23:30:01 UTC  

without warning

2018-08-17 23:30:47 UTC  

So one of the reasons he WANTS to manufacture US is because there is less risk of the factory suddenly shutting down

2018-08-17 23:31:03 UTC  

and he ideally wants to get people more jobs

2018-08-17 23:32:02 UTC  

Now ill admit that in the US we are largely service economy now so manufacturing is outsourced due to less employment demand for it

2018-08-17 23:32:25 UTC  

If the PRC had fair and even Minimum Wage laws and acted on the fairly, then the Cost of Manufacture in the PRC would be a lot higher, but still not the same as paying for US MW as your CoM.

2018-08-17 23:32:27 UTC  

only because our manufacturing was gutted because of cheap labor overseas and in mexico

2018-08-17 23:32:40 UTC  

however manufacturing will always exist in the US its just a matter of incentivizing business to use that service here

2018-08-17 23:33:26 UTC  

Yea we need to close some loop holes too

2018-08-17 23:33:46 UTC  

incentivize employment of americans

2018-08-17 23:34:07 UTC  

A lot of equipment I us is US produced, EG Benchmade knives, but they are more expensive than the overseas produced alternatives.

2018-08-17 23:34:48 UTC  

i think migrants will probably always be employed somewhere but idk maybe we have a American citizen employment minimum quota or something

2018-08-17 23:34:57 UTC  

or would that be to commie?

2018-08-17 23:35:50 UTC  

I honestly expect US made goods to generally be more expensive, at least at first

2018-08-17 23:36:20 UTC  

Under current US Law as I understand it, for a Perminent Alien Resident Status, you have to have either a job or be enrolled in a school, and "Green Card" workers have Non-Citizen Tax ID numbers

2018-08-17 23:36:37 UTC  

we also tend to have higher safety and quality standards in the US

2018-08-17 23:36:51 UTC  

so businesses outsources to cut costs