If you abolish religion and worked to kill theists then that is your crime

not atheism

its hypothetical

my point is that

what you do is not what your belief system does

because otherwise that justifies punishment of the many for the actions of the few

also agnosticism is a knowledge claim

you can be an agnostic atheist and still be militant anti-theist

what crime did they commit?

yes, its a knowledge claim so one can be agnostic atheist or agnostic theist

thats not what I mean by knowledge claim..

a claim about how certain one is about something @♠ Jokeward ♠

@HotmanX32 but uh

95% of theists had nothing to do with those crimes

actually im too generous

99%

you're going to punish innocent people for believing in something that you believe is wrong

you know how hypocritical that is lol?

you're claiming that theists commit crimes against innocents yet you are calling for the very same thing onto them

of the crimes that you've mentioned, I'd say 95%

if the new testament is flawed I don't see it as a material crime committed by the later Christians that followed it

a spiritual crime maybe

I don't see why you're trying so hard to rid of theists though

what exactly are they doing in modern society that makes them a target? they are probably the last people one would expect to blame for all of society's problems

but why is it wrong if they did steal from their religions?

society would be better off if transgender women didn't ex-

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@HotmanX32 so then its a spiritual crime maybe but not on the side of unknowing average theists

But should they be punished for it?

and also who's to say that atheists are not pawns of the elite as well?

i use the elite term because i prefer not to generalize it to all jews

also if the atheists are just as much pawns as theists why are we only punishing theists?

especially when theists are the only ones with a moral compass

assuming that over a thousand years ago there were jews that deceived theists into converting

what makes the jews today accountable for what happened then?

but its not their crimes

also no there are many anti zionist jews for example

there are liberal and conservative jews

lol these sound like christian ideas

that sin is inherited

and that you are not forgiven despite not knowing that you were sinning

anyway it seems quite odd to choose to pick on theists when there's clearly more zionist influence on atheists

I didn't say anything about Christians themselves I'm saying the things you're saying sound very Christian in that
1. Crimes are inherited
2. You are committing a crime and are to be held accountable even if you didn't know about it

but didn't you say genocide is wrong

okay so

what's the ideal world?

whats the goal here

whats the final goal though?

a world without religion?

what do we define as a religion then?

I'd say religion is inevitable

humans will worship something, be it material or immaterial

the modern world is proof of that. we have people worshipping themselves, or others, or finding purpose in much lower things such as money, food, art, music, etc.

claiming to not worship the spiritual only means that you worship the material

its just human nature

we don't know that

Well the world's not perfect and it'll never be, and I don't think that there's a way to solve all the problems in the world individually and I don't think its right to force anything spiritual upon others. However I do believe that modern society is being corrupted by one force and that a lot of problems in the world would be solved by taking just one thing out of the equation: Zionism.

All the recent major wars, diseases, poisonous beliefs, lost families, destroyed nations, mental illnesses, etc. are caused/encouraged by it directly or indirectly

It doesn't matter which part of the world you're from, you've been impacted by it

if you're in China, if you're in South America, if you're in Africa, if you're in India, and obv first world countries even more so, no matter where you are your life would be completely different if not for this

and arguably much better if not for it

why are they raping teens there and getting away with it?

because of zionism

its bigger than that

they can make it out to be an innocent "i want this small country to be protected from the bad guys" all they like but the truth is that this ideology has corrupted everything

wdym?

Jews aren't the ones that are protecting Israel

UK, America, Russia, China, India, all of them are led and have always been led by non jews

there a few exceptions

but my point is that its not jews that do all the work

zionism is not specific to jews

by zionists

saudi arabia is led by zionists, not jews

possibly but zionism is not specific to jews

and jews are not specific to zionism

we don't disagree in that

zionism is the poison though

100%

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Lol why are we going against the innocent theists again though

there are Jewish atheists

that are Zionist

Sam Haris

as well as other IDW members

yes

Zionism ≠ Judaism

i can make the same generalization for atheists lol

that all atheists are anti-theist

its just as valid as saying all jews are zionists

anti-theism furthers atheistic interests

that doesn't make all atheists anti-theistic

sure but that doesn't mean all of them are responsible for it

and that doesnt mean that only they are responsible for it

the british handed them everything they needed

and all the other zionist powers are also accountable

not just complicit lol, they put in all the effort

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I mean not necessarily all Jews

many Jews died because of Zionism

Jews used to live just fine under the Ottomans