I'm gonna give 15 seconds for you to think of a city

any city you like

comment what you come up with

@Hransrap Ok you've decided on Montreal

But why didn't you pick Cairo? did you not think of it

you cant decide on something of which you are not momentarily aware of

and you can't choose that which you dont know exist, so you couldn't possibly have picked Boukoumbé

The point of this is that our brains are limited by physical reality, and we decide based on what occurs to us. I'm not done yet

Why did you pick montreal?

@Skrrt Wait is he talking to me or you

Ultimately your justification for choosing Montreal is no different than the justification for choosing anything else, and you aren't privy to how the city of montreal moves to the forefront of your consciousness

I see you as being controlled by unconscious processes

I'm 21

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ok calm down im typing

you guys are so toxic -_-

The first impulse is vague, we can get more specific than this - do you mean the first Qualia or the first cognitive thought/abstraction

@Skrrt I've read Voltaire, Locke, Nietzsche, Stirner, Burke, Mill, Aristotle & Plato (a long time ago), Marx, I'm trying to think what else

@Skrrt I was thinking about what shakti said

He's higher up on the role list and is threatining a mute he's more important

yeah don't talk about anything just sperg to fit in

im free will autist now im no longer determinist

i am convinced

haha no determinism is a gay dum dum idea

neuroscientists buy into it bc they cucks

might help if I define it more rigorously

Ok I'm a materialist determinist so I think all events are determined by prior causes, the brain not being an exception to cause and effect. The brain is very complicated so it gives us the illusion of free will in our ability to act and make decisions, but ultimately we are the result of prior causes

@Shakti You can call it the big bang or god or whatever you like

@Shakti idk what your question even is man you just keep autistically asking what happened

No not pre-determinism

Pre-determinism implies that its known or planned

where what began @Shakti conscious thought? nerve cells? matter?

can you be a tad more specific

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well that's not why he can but yeah he can ig

just makes him look retarded

yeah

@Shakti The initial cause? I don't know what the origins of the universe are, and its a heated topic that everyone has pre-conceptions about

I don't believe in a god but i figured you guys did

being free will autists and all

Nah, if there's something other than the material i'd be open to knowledge about it

but explain how the immaterial interacts with the material

Do you believe in NDEs

hmm?

I name dropped god to appease the religious autists ive had atheist role since i joined the server

Philosophy as a whole is a different question than determinism

@F-Star this is true yes

@Shakti You don't have to prove the origin of the universe to talk about the materialism of the brain lol

@Skrrt good for you man want a cookie

@Shakti I wasn't proposing it as a hard fact i was tossing it out for people who already agreed with it to latch on to

lol

can you post it again

i forget what it was

it was future humans that made the past in a lab

😎

the natural consequences of the past

the future humans

@Skrrt this tbh

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wtf

gas muslims

"I think the brain is material"
"*well prove how the universe started kiddo*"
"well the universe--"
"*WRONG*"

epic argument 😎

@Septapus comic 2

I never claimed god I merely told you that you are free to call it that

So I never postulated any claims

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I can see how you think it's circular that I would assume there's a first cause to our universe, but I don't see any other explanation beyond a) ex nihilo big bang and b) infinite chains of regression

a) can also be taken to mean the creation of our universe by something outside it, which IMO just passes the buck

infinite chain of regression can't be explained by a first cause

that's the thing

No not for a reason

I could potentially if things unexplainable happen

supernatural stuff or if I'm convinced of a spiritual realm

Most of my beliefs don't hinge on determinism its just a theory of mind

lol

fucking hell

gas pedos

im glad we could choose to see eye to eye

lmao

@Shakti yeah i worship the prophet mohammed (pbuh) but i hate pedos no hypocrisy there

Nah we can put people in prison to get them out of the general population and to rehabilitate them

doesn't have to be a punishment

but also punishing people and determinism aren't oppositional

just because your mind is determined by material reality doesn't mean we can't act as if you make your own decisions

what

The mind is sufficiently complicated that it's moral to treat people as responsible for their own actions

Individuals are similar in their complexity and I don't deny the existence of volition

Yeah @F-Star thats a good way to put it

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yeah you defined it and i said "yeah that's cool"

lol

I've heard things about him that make him sound pretty gay and cucked

No I haven't

isn't he the one that says to take a leap of faith and that meaning is derived from the absurd

thats all I heard about him

nah I never claimed that Shakti less slander pls

I'm a history major but I put 0 stock in university degrees

the history department is so cucked by jews