China has the same problem. The chinese dynasties have been so terrible with their neighbors that Vietnam immediately became our ally after the vietnam war. Why? Because they had enough sense to know that China was NOT their friend. Never had been.

Alright, I think we might be drawing the ire of the mods, we should keep the discussion to weapons from here on out.

Should we move this over to history?

9mm is good, .45 is inferior to the 9. Personally I think that we should have adopted the full-power 10mm auto as our standard service round. If not that, then we should have switched it out for the .30 carbine in WWII.

9mm makes for nice, easy shooting.

And that's why it's a valid round.

And it can put down hostiles just as good as the .45, so there's really no need for the .45 any more.

Full power 10mm is like a .357 chambered as a semi-auto round.

So if you're looking for more "oomf" for your pistol round, you can do that instead.

.45 is perfectly adequate, but you have a lot more recoil and a lot less mag space.

Alright, not that I have any authority, but this discussion should really be moved to history if you guys insist.

I would like .30 carbine more in an SMG.

Too bad we scrapped all the factories.

And we *really* needed better mags for that rifle.

Factories making the .30 carbine round?

I thought they were repurposed to other things.

Because nobody was buying .30 ammo anymore.

Eh...as a hobby, you can do that, sure. I mean we should have implemented it as a more widespread round. It would have been great in the thompson, would have been great in the m3 grease gun.

Would have been great in most modern SMG's.

Why not?

The .30 is superior to the .45

How so?

Alrighty. I'm not going to debate on the merits of personal preferences, you can like what you like. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be an option to buy the M3 greasegun chambered in .45.

What I'm saying is that I believe the default round should have been .30 Carbine based on ballistics testing.

.30 provides as much stopping power at 1,000 feet as a .357 at the muzzle *I believe* (if somebody wants to correct me, I have no problems, with that). And it's more accurate at longer ranges to boot, very helpful if you've got a two handed weapon that can make single shots.

From a production standpoint? Absolutely.

You can make single shots with them.

That's why I have a AR-10 instead of a 15.

If you want the optimal subgun round, I'd say 9mm in terms of recoil, .30 in terms of range. But the .45 is outdated.

*I am not saying it should be illegal to own a subgun in .45, I am saying the default production model should be in something else.* Keep the free markets free, I think you should absolutely be able to own a .45 greasegun if you want to.

And there would be plenty of people who want it, so I'm sure there would be a model.

You like the .45, and I respect that. It was a great round in history.

I'm running to grab some caffiene, I will be back. It's been fun, Bourbon. I've enjoyed the company.

If you're still here, we can pick up again.

I'd certainly like to have you in a D20 modern group, because in terms of play style, you and me are very similar. A lot of choices I make in TTRPG's are done because *screw the optimal build, I wanna be me*.

Right? I know.

Bolt action rifles are obsolete? Let's see how obsolete you think they are when I put a .303 round through your skull at 300 meters.

Just looked up the C-14, can't lie it's pretty awesome.

Right.

"You must sneak in."
"I start a fire."
"....Why?"
"You said we needed to sneak in. This is a great time for diversionary tactics."

Yup.

What's that chambered in, again?

9, .40, and 9IMI

Both, and an Ar-10 is .308 or 7.62 depending on which barrel you're using.

Europeans "9mm short"
Americans ".380 ACP"
Russians "Screw you, hand me the makarov."

Literally just the Soviets saying "You don't get to use our bullets in your guns."

And then the Chinese made a different version, right?

Certainly a bit of fun, for sure. Ppsh-41 and all that.

What was the .556 version of the FAL. There was the CAL, but that flopped. The FNC, that's what it was.

Wait, wait. Here's something from Gun Jesus you all would like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J50N5lQoAFw

Because John Casull said so, that's why.

CFAL is not coming up with the Google machine.

Ok.

Technically, the .45 long colt is BP, do you guys get to buy that without permit?

And I think this server definitely needs a place where us nerds can talk TTRPG's.

1872, so you're gravy.

Colt Single Action

They can also use smokeless powder if you can get your hands on it.

Not that you ever would 😇

Screw that, tactical llama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYULWlsRSug

Not as cool as Power llama

Ok, that might win.

Also, Bourbon. You ever read the Grimnoir Chronicles?

Awesome, I thought I was the only one.

Keep trying to get my friends to read it, they're like "Yeah...naw...I'm good."

Star Wars Saga?

This immediately makes me nervous....

You got rules for droids?

So I get to play a human replica droid?

And please tell me that we're working with legends, not the new stuff that disney published.

Good.

Did you ever look into SWSE? And are you familiar with TheTrove.net?

WEG?

Ok.

I like SWSE, because I know all the rules to that.

And they've got everything pre-disney pretty fleshed out.

Alrighty.

Did I get kicked?

Got it.

"Minipurge?"

Where are we all going once this get's shut down by the Discord Gestapo?

Everyone here should send a message to the Discord Staff:
"We're sorry, we didn't know we were hunting on the King's Land."

It's necessary to keep the peasants ignorant.

Is there a competitor to Discord?

Can I donate to the project?

NO! Not Patreon! They are *incredibly* lefty. They shut down Carl Benjamin and others.

Patreon will nuke anything they know is going to conservative groups.

If I had a nickel for every gender I would have only two nickels but it's still weird that people think I would have more.

Capitalism's a bitch, ainnit? <:benSmirk:748215108781473823>

Oof size: Large

Basically we can't talk about anything. The Commissariat of Discord have issued us vagina hats. They are not optional.

The Commietube emoji is only at 440 on the new announcements page. Those are rookie numbers, c'mon boys.

Alright. I don't make memes, because I can't computer. But I have ideas.

Can we post videos in this channel longer than 30 seconds?

I need a meme smith.

Because I've got an idea too good to pass up.

If anyone's interested hit me up in private chat.

It involves Tyler Zed, Men in Black, and plummeting twitter stocks.

"I know, I don't like him as our leader either. But we don't get to choose what is more important than the rules. We lost our right to disobey lawful rules and regs the moment we put on the uniform."

Every Soviet soldier between 1917-1980
Every German soldier between 1933-1945
Every Chinese soldier since 1949.

Alpha, I would seriously recommend you read the book "Ordinary Men."
Monsters do not get into uniform for the likes of Hitler and Stalin. People like Hitler and Stalin turn men in into monsters in uniform. And they do it one tiny step at a time, saying "You can go home any time you like."

A group of regular policemen. Loving fathers, dutiful husbands. Turned slowly an methodically into the kinds of people who would drag a pregnant woman out of her house, put her on her knees, and put a bullet in the back of their skulls.