its cruel, but i understand what you mean

what lovely subjects indeed

i agree

i only disagree that they must denounce their religion entirely

i do agree that they must conform to american laws and norms

@Dave C so what do you want to know about islam and terrorism because its some heavy shit mang

"Problem is that their Book forces them into compliance. so even if they are Sand Christians and don't want to believe the Bad shit, they are forced to." i dont entirely agree, i mean, yes islam rules through fear that much is true, but a lot of muslims actually do embrace the good and denounce the bad. although it may not mean much to some that i say this, my entire muslim community was actually pretty chill *except* with sexism, and i mean even then they werent violent or anything they just had gender roles that women were expected to follow that were much stricter than the ones we have today

^for once i agree with you

heres the thing about islam, its really just christianity 2.0 before it was westernized

yeah

hey man, i understand islam is not a good religion

witt nice

but it isnt some virus, it's still a religion

ikr XD

well you are right, feminism and islam are very strange bedmates

dusty its the other way around

and also tiger, this is false. muhammad was indeed married to a preteen but like, dude, you can be a follower of a religion and not be in support of pedophilia what

not true

they worshup allah

there is a very clear distinction

people do not praise muhammad because he was a pedo, they praise him for preading the word of allah

sure, and thats where i agree that some major reform is in order

many muslims are too sensitive about their religion, but it is still a religion nonetheless, and although that does not in anyway shape or form justify atrocities nor does it justify them not conforming to western ideals whilst in the west, we still need to respect their right to religion. Imo, unless someone does something bad, they aren't bad yet. so even if they defend pedos, they shouldnt be deported or removed or whatever was said, until they actually do the crime. And to say that "well if they defend it we know they are gunna do it so deport them anyways" is a slippery slope because anyone can entertain or defend an idea whether that be crime or atrocity, and to deport them for that is a straight route to facism

i tried to cover all my bases but i probably missed a few marks

also malt, bad bad example to try and role with

i actually agree with you but hitler was able to *persuade and entire country to hate jews*

well i mean most anti-semitism comes from islam soooooo

its not entirely irrelevent, i mean it goes against my argument but it is a fact

i mean we havent really started talking about antisemitism yet so i guess its kinda

i still disagree

because if you go to muslims and say "hey, why do you like muhummad so much" i garuntee you no one would say "pedo". and although you

i wanna finish but no it is not fact that its 9

it says virgin

virgin at that time meant young of age

and givin historical context and something else i cant remember, it really falls aroun 12-17

i cant give evidence so i understand if your skeptical, but my brother took a class on preislamic, and islamic history so im not pullin ass facts

THE MENTAL GYMNASTICS

OMG

XD

im not defending pedophelia i was saying that what will (i think will) said was wrong

and with that i completely do a 180 on you malt

ughughugh im the wrong guy to talk to about this stuff, my brother knows a lot more about the historical facts than i do

i gotta do some research before i just accept it, but since i dont have any evidence against it we can roll with that for argumentations sake

idk if you were talkin shit about me but i never said that he wasnt a pedo

godamn

i never defended pedophilia, i never said muhammad wasnt a pedo, i said

when did i put words in your mouth

not tryna be fighting like im actually curious

oh yeah i was going to finish that

what i meant by that was that the fact that you worship someone who happens to be a pedo does not *necesarily* mean that they support pedo

that was my argument

i could have worded it better yes im sorry

and i mean like we havent even gotten into sunni vs shia muslims

cuz thats a whole thing

nonono, you or at least *someone* said that since you worship a pedo, you support pedo

dont try to pull that shit i aint having it

i mean it depends on why you worship said person

if you worship them because they *literally gave life to your religion*

then you dont have to be ok with pedophilia

i dont understand this "either you agree with EVERYTHING YOUR RELIGION SAYS OR YOU ARE NOT REALLY RELIGIOUS", and if you arent saying that then what are you saying? What do you call a muslim who doesnt support pedo (dont say nonexistant)

GODDAMNIT HOW IS IT THAT I AM DEFENDING ISLAM UGH

stefan, i guess weve been strictly talking about eastern muslims because ive been talking about muslims in general

oh i think palistine should surrender

not in my experience and ya its anecdotal i know but like my entire family none of them support pedo

like, my *entire* family

jesus christ i cant read

i need to sleep

not for me

alright malt some people have lifes

and others, like me, just say up because they dont have lives and then get little sleep

and thats why im tired

ok anyways, ill leave it off here. Islam desperately needs reform, Muhammad was a pedo sure fine whatever I still think thats a product of his time tho, and i mean yeah. I think i really could have left it with islam needs reform

like i said, eastern muslims are pretty radical while a lot of western muslims are chill

ok i cant even type properly anymore i am going to

*you just HAD to say something didnt you*

it all depends on the type of muslim

sunni muslims tend to be more strict

shia muslims drink and smoke and shit

theyre the party guys

sunni muslims, the ones i grew up with, are very formal and shit

yes will sharia law is very supported for in the east

i actually count uk as eastern muslims

basically western muslims are american muslims

everywhere else isnt great

also, i didnt say it's ONLY eastern muslims, or at the very least i shouldnt have

hold on

so that study was done with 600 muslims from what i can see

that isnt representative of the population

although i concede the fact that there is growing support for sharia law in the us as well

*thats why islam needs reform how many times do i need to say this*

i... thats not... *sigh*

but it seemingly doesnt take into account a lot of other factors

no its not

lemme type goddamnit im slow right now

it doesnt take into account sunni v shia, migrant v natural born, shit like that. the ideals between these groups are actually quite different

well how many actually know what sharia law is

because a surprising amount say they support it but dont understand it

yes i know

and im glad *you* know what it is, but many do not and say they support it

i used to be