that one

i have another one that shows otherwise i cant post it tho

it has the republican's moving toward the center

democrats moving away

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

ur gonna have to scroll i cant post the actual image

its the little line graph thingy a little bit down tho

yeah ik

im just using it to demonstrate republicans are moving towards the center

not saying the times article is making the most coherent point, that graph just shows them moving towards the center

even if the center by the time's standard's is like almost socialism

this isnt twitter

putting a clap emoji after every word doesnt make your invalid point valid

uh oh

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except that this chart suggests otherwise. the republicans are moving towards what the old center in the US was

trump is using dem talking points from 12-15 years ago

except we have evidence showing the repubs moving to the middle

ur just ignoring it

did you ever consider the people moving to the left are also the ones writing almost all of these so anything that wouldve been centrist to them now appears far right?

the left has gone so far left that any center postion is now far right

the republicans are literally moving to the center, the dems are diving to socialsm

if the republicans were getting more extreme they wouldnt be embracing the gays

@Mu

apparently ur country is perfect

enjoy when ur economy collapses in about 10-15 years lmao

any economist worth their salt knows your economic model is not sustainable

Keynesian is another way to say dumbass

honestly i was kinda hype for florida going underwater

big promises, none delivered

i mean we shouldnt have made those promises

i dont agree with them lol

and all we've done is fuck everything up every place we've put our dick

so i dont see why continuing to fuck them would make it any better

they arent socialists, theyre capitalists with an extensive welfare program

doesnt make it a good idea but its not socialism

yeah theres also only 5 million of you and an extreme amount of wealth in your country

yeah and many of their systems are way worse than yours

because they are larger countries with more issues that arent as homogenous

sources for that pls

wait a minute

its almost like every country above us

is smaller

and way more homnogenous

its a lot more homogenous than us you sperg

as is switzerland

also our purchasing power is higher than all of yalls except switzerland

so uhh

suck on it

nah dont worry youve been providing the laughs

imagine thinking america is a democracy

thank goodness it isnt

i mean its a federalist republic

not a democracy

clearly you didnt make it out of secondary school

^

holy shit you really dont understand the difference between democracy and having a representative govt do you?

no its not

"Eugene Volokh of the UCLA School of Law notes that the United States exemplifies the varied nature of a constitutional republic—a country where some decisions (often local) are made by direct democratic processes, while others (often federal) are made by democratically elected representatives.[3] As with many large systems, US governance is incompletely described by any single term. It also employs the concept, for instance, of a constitutional democracy in which a court system is involved in matters of jurisprudence.[3]"

just because we have certain democratic processes does not make us a complete democracy

yeah that @Nathan James 123

i just forgot the word direct kek

yes

i shouldve clarified that i meant direct democracy earlier too.

kinda just forgot

well clearly we are lacking in wrinkles

in the case of the US being a direct democracy?

we literally arent thats how

well tbf the executive of the US is chosen through a more federalistic manner

nobody said 5 years

you said 5 years

yeah that'd kinda be a shitshow

thank you

yeah also would result in more partisanship in the courts than there already is

you're the only one reeing about anything here bucko

everyone else is just having a conversation

i mean from a technical standpoint you could argue the most powerful position in the US govt. is speaker of the house; they get control over a lot of things

especially with regards to money

iirc

yeah no thats right; all revenue bills have to come from the house

thats a whole other issue

we need to get money out of our political system ASAP; one of the few things i agree with AOC on

dont worry it wont happen

the issue is the people writing the campaign finance laws and tax codes are also being paid off to put in the loopholes

it all needs to go to ensure the will of the electorate is their only concern

youre missing the point. even if they do that, the people who write the laws are being paid off to begin with. even if they force people to make it public, they will find a way around that to continue donating large sums behind closed doors

loopholes are not illegal

they are loopholes

offshoring

PACS

shell companies

political action committee

im fine with lobbying but there shouldnt be money involved

i should clarify

money shouldnt be going to the politicians from companies.

if private individuals want to donate up to a certain amount thats all kosher

and if companies want to hire people to go to political gatherings to talk to politicians about why they should and shouldnt do x x and x then honestly thats good too

most politicians dont know fuck all about how most of those companies operate

my issue is with revolving door politics and large companies giving large sums of money to to politicians

no i am thats my issue