logically speaking, a creator needs a cause too then

yes

the creator of a painting did not just pop in existance... the creator needed to be created.. . the creator is the effect, what was its cause?

no such thing

because I have not seen proof of eternity or anything perpetual

conservation of energy laws... even the universe has an expire date

ragnarok.. why did people choose death? they were afraid of damnation

the church is nothing but a control mechanism designed to keep sheep in fear of the wolf (devil)

it is the oldest and most successful scam in history

there are 10,000 just like christianity, and each follower of their own KNOWS theirs is right

and offer the same.... proof..... you offer

now, enjoy your religious defense on a RELIGION SHITPOSTING channel.. .I will be back with more hot pokers for your butthurt later

little boots, you havent presented any proof either

no christianity stole a lot from pagans

and if you think otherwise you are a fucking moron

Ok... Christmas... aka Yule is a big one

Easter - Stolen from a pagan festival celebrating fertility and birth

Halloween - Introduced later on by a pope (forgot his name) but was a festival to celebrate the day the dead can walk among us... stolen to be "all saints day" to be a contrast to it

it is WELL DOCUMENTED that these holidays were put in place to make it easier for pagans to convert

you do know that pagans celebrated the winter solstice and yule before christianity was even a thing right?

fuck you ragnarok.. .you don't even want to look up shit for yourself

ahh so christmas isnt even christian then

not true and that statement is just ignorant

show me it is then

prove me wrong

show me all 365 pagan holidays please

sounds like something jewish

alright... I got real life shit to do.. Don't shoot each other's eyes out while you all are in your churchy safe space jerking each other off... IN A RELIGION SHITPOSTING AREA...

all of yours were as well. Good day all

I have.. front to back

I find that many here have not

did you know you are supposed to hate your mother father and siblings to be a deciple of jesus? no? well.. it's in there

ragnarok. then tell me how a rabbit and eggs fit in with the resurrection story?

what does?

the rabbit and eggs have been a staple for a long, long time.. .back to when it was a pagan holiday. current commercialized holidays didn't invent the imagry

anyway.. really have real shit to do.. fuck you all and have a good day

@Andrules which version of the bible? there are like 100

KJV Luke 14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." there is your quote

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no there is the king james version, new international version, new living translation, english standard version, Berean study bible, Berean literal bible, New american standard bible, christian standard bible, contemporary english version, good news translation, Holman christian standard bible, International standard version, NET Bible, new heart english bible, Aramaic bible in plain english, Gods Word translation,
new american standard 1977, jubilee bible 2000, king james 2000, American king james version, American standard version, Douay-Rheims bible, Darby bible translation, English revised version, Websters bible translation, Weymouth new testament, Word english bible, and young's literal translation. @Little Boots

so again.. when someone wants me to quote, it would be nice to know which version they will accept as the "real" version

yeah.. but didnt jesus teach love though?

having to hate your family is a far cry from teaching love isnt it?

do you believe that any wiccans should be put to death under the guise of "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?

or do you pick and choose which words and phrases match your lifestyle and consious and ignore the rest?

and before the whole argument of "that is old testament" starts... Jesus states in the bible that he did not come to abolish the laws of moses. Which makes the old testament still relevant.

*Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Matthew 5:17-18*

so again, do you follow the bibles teachings or do you pick and choose based on your own self-appointed values?

so you obviously pick and choose

out of that whole verse you took 3 words and ignored the rest

did you miss this part?

For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished

earth is still here, so nothing is fulfilled, so therefore the old testament is still relevant

where does it say that it is not necessary at? now you are ADDING to it

So you are saying that the quote from jesus is wrong and jesus was wrong when he said he didn't come to abolish the old laws

so... what about raping women and paying their father in silver.. that's cool with you too, right?

call all the names you want to. Apparently it takes an atheist to turn the other cheek lol. It was a butthurt christan that decided to weigh in, in the first place

so in other words... you can pick and choose

as long as you believe in jesus

talking about another vers @Andrules

Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Deuteronomy 22:29

KJV says "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;" in the previous verse

Christan standard version says "If a man encounters a young woman, a virgin who is not engaged, takes hold of her and rapes her, and they are discovered,"

so again, which fucking version

NIV says "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,"

yeah "rape" is very clear

again... the old testament argument

the laws are still valid according to jesus

I have provided quotes, please do me the same courtesy and show me where it says you do not have to follow the old testament

hmm... maybe I should be a christian... nothing condemns multiple wives

that's jewish actually

but not forbidden

so... since you guys are scholars... which came first? man or beast?

frowned upon.. again.. not forbidden

so who came first? man or beast?

does it?

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:18-19

yeah it contradicts chapter 2

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:25-27

see my point? when a book is "truth" but the "truth" contradicts itself, how is one to know what is "truth"?

it is a direct contradiction

chapter one says beasts came first... chapter 2 says man came first.... so which came first?

how does it not?

I have.. over and over... the entire thing is contradictory

okay

then why does chapter two say adam was alone and THEN god created the beasts?

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field...\

just admit that chapter 1 and 2 are contradictions lol

ok then lets look within the same chapter....

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Genesis 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Genesis 1:14-19 King James Version (KJV)
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

so was it the first or fourth day for light?

there are a literal ton of better contradiction examples throughout the bible, and to deny that any contradictions exist only proves that you, yourself, have not read it. I am atheist because I HAVE read it, and find it to be a nonsense book of contradictory bullshit based on no fact.

And that is the basis of religion.. it is FAITH based, not FACT... If you have FACT then you can't take it on FAITH because FAITH is the belief absent evidence.

I go with FACT not FAITH

lol reddit

I don't really use reddit

https://creation.com/
and
https://biblehub.com/

is where I've been pulling my quotes

yes... but which chapter in genesis?

chapter 1 and 2 are both creation stories and the timelines are different in each one... so which chapter in genesis?

you believe the earth is 6,000 years old too, don't you?

I missed the part where he created the fossils and the oil

You apparently cant read

I just stated a direct contradiction above and you ignore it. Classic liberal nonsense

Okay. How long doea it take for a carbon based life form to decay away into oil?