Messages from @Qes (Discord ID: 265950025396387840)
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I have some critiques so far about this movement. Is it wrong to post them here?
Alright, here it goes: 1) Having a uniform separate from our main enemy is a huge mistake. Having a large group of easily identifiable people run after a bunch of Antifas and clash in the street makes it a whole lot easier for LE to crack down on both groups. I would *not* assume that LE is on our side since more likely than not they'll just see "us" as a nuisance just as they see Antifa. 2) Having a separate website is a bit risky as it is easy to sockpuppet, IP dodge, etc. and it creates an unofficial hierarchy of (given that it is supposedly vBulletin) those who have the most posts regardless of quality against all else. That's not so much of a huge problem but it could get really clique-y really fast. One of the reasons Antifa is relatively "successful" at organizing is the inherently decentralized nature of IRL meetups, groups, and demonstration. This is also attributed to the common uniform they have to which I'll get to now. 3) If we were to have our own uniform, we should just form a black bloc as well. Everyone's faces will be covered, yes, but it would be easy to inject ourselves into their ranks and either a) create confusion or b) create chaos or c) both (i.e. try and take one group of antifas one direction into a trap or something of LE/Anticoms, etc).
If we blend in, we can easily disrupt their shit. This would require "us" meeting prior to the event and going in slowly
Always assume that Antifa are among us. There is probably a few lurking or in here.
Then what is the fucking point? If you aren't willing to rough these fuckers up?
If you just form a protective wall around the pedestrians that will do nothing but get your asses kicked.
These groups need to be taken down from within. Just showing up in all black will make them none the wiser.
Plus it doesn't seem likely most of the public would support us "helping them" since we'll just get in the way of the LE from doing their job.
At that point we become an extrajudicial group that doesn't really have a purpose but to take up space. From my POV at least try and fight these fuckers back.
Seriously though, this group should take more secure measures and think this through tbh.
spending money on tactical clothes is retared. Just wear all fucking black.
They wouldn't know it's us though. They're not gonna know shit if we blend in with them.
They won't know shit. If a group of like ~10 of us just joined their black bloc they literally won't give a fuck.
You think they're gonna ask for a secret handshake or something?
Yea but remember they're in the heat of the moment. They're not going to check everyone's face and they're sure as shit not going to remember what everyone except their close friends are wearing.
They're gonna be focused on lighting trash cans on fire, not what some guy is wearing.
They're probably not though if they're focused on throwing chairs at cops.
They're not though if they're focused on doing something i.e. vandalism
If they're so organized then show me what they use to organize other than the oathkeepers stuff.
I tried doing some in Inkscape earlier but had to put it off
>tfw will never be good at making sick logos and vector images in inkscape
We know they organize prior to their "rallies" but I really don't think they're gonna know who is who when shtf in the streets.
Like they'll have an idea of who their friends are and whatnot but they're not going to know what and who is participating let alone be able to really make a distinction especially in the heat of a street fight.
Instead of saying "Reactionary movement" it should say "A reaction to...xyz"
Reactionary implies violence to go back to past institutions since it's a political attitude. This contradicts what the poster says @ the top.
There is a lecture @ Princeton University (Robertson Hall, Dodds Auditorium) today @ 4:30 on Brexit and the Future of Europe
I will be attending, hit me up within the next hour or so if you want to meet up.
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