Depends on your risk tolerance tbh

Some guys think the risk of being falsely accused is too high

Or the risk of pregnancy

not really LOL

Imagine being black in the 60s

LOL it's not possible

Well at this rate hostile takeover is more likely than anything

At least for most of the western world

It's already happening in europe

@32but23mentally Reinstating slavery would be the stupidest thing ever. Watch the muslims come and enslave you.

They aren't coming here in droves

but if they come in any sizeable number they WILL outbreed white people

Yeah, but 7 percent? Breeding at about triple replacement rate?

When whites are breeding at UNDER replacement rate?

Good luck

Depends, if they get a community like they tend to keep to?

It could be like the amish but with more babies

That's because they're allowed to integrate

I'm saying if they sectioned themselves off like in the UK

Canada will be too

canada doesn't force integration

Cult meeting is only mods and such I guess?

Gotcha guys

you wanna join the main text?

main vc when you're done*

This TFM DDJ thing is wild LOL

Cat boi? As in Feedin?

I was gonna say, if we can't talk about it I understand, but I wanted to discuss it with some people

I'm super civil about it (even though some of the things said are NOT)

I don't know man, I just kinda wanna get a different perspective.

I am in the process of watching it

I'm not a fan of it so far

I was gonna say, TFM used to call incels TFL (True Force Loneliness) , and said that they're not MGTOW.

I can understand that TFM now saying that Incels CAN be MGTOW with a change in attitude is a little suss

It's kinda like the "Alpha pickup artist" who tells the beta "He CAN be alpha, with a change in his attitude", like, selling a pipe dream. Except making Incels stop valuing women so much is a lot more achievable

No i see where you're coming from

But a lot of Youtube channels make their money by selling people a pipe dream

and I think TFM specifically had this shift from "Incels aren't MGTOW" to "Incels CAN BE MGTOW", because it would net him subscribers / not alienate the fan base.

They're not opposed to each other

They're a frame shift.

It's going from "You're not us, don't bother"

To "You could be like us, just keep taking red pills from us!"

And I even said, that COULD be seen as suss, because it could seem like TFM cowtowing to Incels. I don't think it's a bad thing

I think he's right

I see where you're coming from buddy

Don't throw my Canadian kindness in my face! LOL

I'm on the part of TFM's video where he talks about the doll now

(I'm not your pal, friend)

I know the meme I just don't gotta go full out with it

IDK about y'all, but I agreed with everything that DDJ said about the doll

It seems like it could be damaging to have that much attachment to an inanimate object

The alternative is how Hermit is?

The alternative is how Human is?

Having a gf isn't bad IMO, just like, no cohabitation, no marriage

I mean, IMO I'm fine with it. I haven't found anything worth a damn so I stay single, but like who knows

I've consumed a lot of philosophical content about why attachments to an inanimate objects are bad

Exactly

So being so involved with a doll, as to personify it, is a little weird for me. It doesn't seem like something I'd want for me

I won't shame him

I'll just say I think DDJ has a point there

I never touched on that

because obviously I don't know TFM like that

I've had long conversations here about how the whole waifu thing have a mad negative stain on the community

@Victortze No I understand that

When one of the biggest MGTOW creators has a doll be the same part of his personality? It's gonna get tied to MGTOW

When the biggest source of money coming into our community, our biggest sponsor, is a doll company?

I'm not saying it's his responsibility. I'm saying it's the outcome. It's the end result.

I think it's a negative because it means that the ideas stay underground. They stay hidden.

Not at it's core

but TFM literally says, in his response

That just "walking away and waiting for the collapse" is a bad thing

I mean MGTOW isn't a movement at it's core.

Exactly

So if he wants to fix the system, as I do, we're good

However, if MGTOW ends up being seen as Scientology is, good fucking luck dishing out redpills.

Humble, you are the MGTOW I relate to the most. The having a girlfriend, your agreeing with TFMs plan, all that, I agree with it. That's why I'm in your server.

Okay but Humble you can't say those groups didn't do it via violence or isolation / the fear of violence or isolation

(I'm down with pocket pussys, down with dolls, whatever, I just don't agree with the personification or attatchment to them)

I mean they kept women subjugated with isolation. If you don't comply you get socially ostracized

Yes we did

We don't anymore of course

I personally think it'd be great to go back to a world where single mothers aren't glorified, and cheating isn't glorified, but the fact is, I don't see it happening. I don't see it

That's true ^^

We're discussing the ideas in both vids

^^

But it's a civil debate nobody's ad homming yet luckily

Victor

Because it's not good for your mental health.

It's not a good indicator

I literally create characters for a living Victor

You can have a doll

It's not healthy to have such an attachment that you go "This is my waifu, you can't look at her naked, don't insult her etc"

I can't say that for absolute certainty, but he certainly portrays the bond as deeper that I would say is reasonable

I really fucking hope he is

I hope he plays it up and then just chucks it in the closet when he's done

But imma take him at his word, and assume that when he says he kisses it, and loves it, and buys outfits because that's what he'd do for a woman, that he actually does that shit

I literally paraphrased what he said Victor, I don't see your point here

Oh okay if you wanna talk about the ISIS thing?

Okay, let me address the other point that DDJ made:

You cannot take women's rights away without violence

Amish women never GOT their rights