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2019-07-26 00:47:42 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

you lied

2019-07-26 00:48:40 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Source ?

2019-07-26 00:50:31 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

East germany was almost third world by 1990

2019-07-26 00:50:39 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

germany has spent trillions

2019-07-26 00:50:47 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

and to this day east germany is still comparatively backwards

2019-07-26 00:51:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

dude

2019-07-26 00:51:45 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

this is getting tiresome

2019-07-26 00:51:49 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

zero sources

2019-07-26 00:51:52 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

consistent lying

2019-07-26 00:52:28 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

you can draw a line across europe of old soviet states

2019-07-26 00:52:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

as to this day you can see economic weakness and backwardness caused by socialism

2019-07-26 00:53:33 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

East germany had crumbling infrastructure and 1970s tier factories still producing vacuum tubes

2019-07-26 00:56:18 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

one moment translating

2019-07-26 00:58:32 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

okay

2019-07-26 00:58:34 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

here we go

2019-07-26 00:58:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Before…the Third Reich the East German economy had…per capita national income…103 percent of West Germany, compared to a mere 31 percent in 1991

2019-07-26 00:58:49 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

"Before…the Third Reich the East German economy had…per capita national income…103 percent of West Germany, compared to a mere 31 percent in 1991"

2019-07-26 00:59:15 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

so 103 percent GDP of west germany in 1945

2019-07-26 00:59:40 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

end of ww2

2019-07-26 00:59:57 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

you just said after

2019-07-26 01:00:09 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

so east germany went from having 103 percent GDP

2019-07-26 01:00:13 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

of west germany

2019-07-26 01:00:14 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

to

2019-07-26 01:01:00 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

31 percent

2019-07-26 01:01:01 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

1990

2019-07-26 01:01:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

here ill show original source

2019-07-26 01:01:32 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

as its unclear

2019-07-26 01:02:50 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

damn original book in behind pay wall of some sort

2019-07-26 01:03:31 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598762957257703438/604116555336253460/table2.jpg

2019-07-26 01:03:38 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

those numbers you posted

2019-07-26 01:03:43 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

were garbage

2019-07-26 01:03:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

mentioned in link I provided

2019-07-26 01:04:01 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

soviet government provided garbage numbers for estimates

2019-07-26 01:04:31 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

here are the facts june

2019-07-26 01:04:55 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Here are the facts june

2019-07-26 01:05:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

east germany went from being ahead of west germany immediately after the war

2019-07-26 01:05:13 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

to 30 percent of it and backwards

2019-07-26 01:05:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I already provided source on that

2019-07-26 01:05:48 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The stats I provided were soviet stats

2019-07-26 01:05:57 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

jesus man this is getting sad

2019-07-26 01:06:00 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

here ill post it again

2019-07-26 01:06:56 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

In 1946, the Soviet zone had a slight total factor productivity lead

2019-07-26 01:07:03 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

wartime industrialization had contributed more to the eastern economy, and the destruction caused by the war was lighter than in the west.[4] However, by 1948 the western zones had become more prosperous.[4]

2019-07-26 01:07:10 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Ritschl, A.; Vonyo, T. (17 April 2014). "The roots of economic failure: what explains East Germany's falling behind between 1945 and 1950?". European Review of Economic History. 18 (2): 166–184. doi:10.1093/ereh/heu004.

2019-07-26 01:07:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Abstract
The relative decline of the East German economy after 1945 has eluded researchers, as several large shocks appeared to have hit it at the same time. In this paper, we revisit the immediate post-war period in both parts of Germany to obtain a more comprehensive picture of the output and productivity shocks operating in both economies. Our principal finding is that the dismantling of the capital stock alone cannot explain the inferior performance of the East German economy. The collapse of output after the war and the ensuing recovery in both parts of the country were driven by total factor productivity; changes in factor endowments were of second-order significance. West Germany began to lead East Germany in industrial labor productivity well before the economic reforms of 1948 could make their mark. The major factor contributing to this early divergence were disproportions in industrial structure caused by the division of Germany.

2019-07-26 01:08:02 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

East germany started out with a lead

2019-07-26 01:08:21 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

and ended up a fraction of west germanys economy

2019-07-26 01:08:38 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

and east germany was the most productive part of the soviet bloc

2019-07-26 01:09:53 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

well it kind of does actually

2019-07-26 01:09:58 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

the birthplace of capitalism

2019-07-26 01:10:01 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

earliest adopters

2019-07-26 01:10:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

you could argue east india , parts of africa diversifies capitalism within the world

2019-07-26 01:10:49 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

but that doesnt really help your point

2019-07-26 01:10:57 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

east india is experiencing explosive growth under capitalism

2019-07-26 01:11:11 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

china was a failure until it started embracing certain aspects of capitalism

2019-07-26 01:11:42 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

yes I am not sure why I said east india

2019-07-26 01:12:00 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

but on the original point

2019-07-26 01:12:04 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

you were proven incorrect

2019-07-26 01:12:20 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

east germany had major lead in 1945 and by 1948 west germany pulled well ahead

2019-07-26 01:12:47 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

bruh read beyond the abstract

2019-07-26 01:13:33 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

dislocated ?

2019-07-26 01:13:43 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

these "slave labours" appear to have multiple tvs

2019-07-26 01:13:44 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

a car

2019-07-26 01:13:45 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

a house

2019-07-26 01:14:00 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

the concept that people have to functionally work to exist

2019-07-26 01:14:06 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

due to realities of planet

2019-07-26 01:14:12 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

is not the same as slave labour

2019-07-26 01:14:25 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

well you suggested slave labour

2019-07-26 01:14:28 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

which is clearly not true

2019-07-26 01:17:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

June

2019-07-26 01:17:25 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

its over man

2019-07-26 01:17:36 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

the east germany apologetics and lies are just sad

2019-07-26 01:17:52 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Well yes

2019-07-26 01:18:02 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Your first claim

2019-07-26 01:18:13 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

was that east german economy was behind west germans after ww2

2019-07-26 01:18:16 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

it wasnt

2019-07-26 01:18:18 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

that was a lie

2019-07-26 01:18:27 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I have already shown that

2019-07-26 01:18:57 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Look in the journal man

2019-07-26 01:19:33 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

June read the journal

2019-07-26 01:19:42 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I provided a source

2019-07-26 01:23:05 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

okay first

2019-07-26 01:23:07 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

This line of research broadly agrees on the comparatively greater importance of post-war dismantling in East Germany. However, there still appears to be no clear consensus on the quantitative impact of these initial conditions, and on why they should have put East Germany on a path of persistent divergence from West Germany. Do relative factor endowments explain output and productivity performance in early post-war Germany? Do differences in factor endowments contribute to explaining why the two German economies evolved so differently after World War II?

2019-07-26 01:23:49 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

This paper argues they do not. Upon careful re-examination of the evidence, we find that while movements in output as well as factor endowments and proportions were substantial, they are only second-order effects. Instead, what dominates the evidence is a combination of dramatic swings in total factor productivity (TFP). One is a veritable collapse in TFP following the breakdown of the German war economy, which we find in both parts of Germany. The other is a divergence between West German and East German TFP levels. The latter turned East German industry from having a non-trivial productivity lead over its western counterpart in 1946 to trailing West German productivity by the late 1940s, and rapidly losing ground.

2019-07-26 01:24:19 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The war-induced decline of TFP has been noticed in previous research. Sleifer (2006) showed that it had occurred in both East and West between 1936 and 1950. Eichengreen and Ritschl (2009) found that TFP in West Germany all but collapsed at the end of the war and subsequently recovered rapidly. This implies that movements in TFP were the dominant driver of West German economic growth between 1945

2019-07-26 01:26:44 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Total factor productivity:

2019-07-26 01:27:27 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

also called multi-factor productivity, is usually measured as the ratio of aggregate output (e.g., GDP) to aggregate inputs.

2019-07-26 01:27:58 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

the journal lays out TFP relationship to GDP

2019-07-26 01:28:25 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

and the collapse of east german economy before even 1950

2019-07-26 01:31:54 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

BY

2019-07-26 01:31:55 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

the way

2019-07-26 01:32:01 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I looked into the source you provided

2019-07-26 01:32:04 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

its as expected BS

2019-07-26 01:34:20 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

dude read your own quotes

2019-07-26 01:34:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

1945 onward is soviet control

2019-07-26 01:38:19 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

about to start info dump

2019-07-26 01:39:17 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Our principal finding is that the dismantling of industrial assets alone cannot explain the inferior growth performance of the East German economy after the war. Instead, the slower growth of TFP in East Germany is by far the dominant explanation. Soviet reparations were crippling, and indeed reduced the capital–labor ratio in industry by approximately a third, as previously suggested. However, a large influx of refugees combined with more substantial wartime destruction in machinery and plant generated a decline in the West German capital–labor ratio as well. The principal source of both the initial decline of industrial production in both parts of post-war Germany and the subsequent divergence between them are changes in TFP rather than shifts in relative factor endowments.

2019-07-26 01:39:30 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

well first june

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