This is a nice intro to your server, haha. Herro fliends.

The bible does NOT define a YEAR lol

When the bible lists generations it claims some lived 500+ years - Years are not even defined in the bible

Ask him: 1) how does he know its 12000 or whatever in the bible? he will have to reference the various generations listed to come up with that number

2) follow up with the question how do you know what a YEAR in the bible means?

Christian god can exist, just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Don't go there it's a TRAP

Lol talk about Christianity, suddenly "the jews" - you guys are hillarious

Jews don't claim that 1 year in bible = 1 year in current world

1 year in bible can be 1 million years on Sol

Ask him how he knows 1 year in bible = 1 year on Earth

ASK him WHAT the counted - they counted Generations of figures in Bible

They counted something that cannot be counted to reach 6000 years lol

They counted wrong according to the bible itself

You can prove him wrong WITHIN his world view because they counted something that cannot be counted.

When you ask him how old is Earth and he says 6000 years dont start laughing - ask why he lists that particular number, and you catch

You catch his weakness from his own world view.

Why the hell does someone's Philosophy or Culture needs a Foundation besides itself?! That part of the argument was mega-cringe for me

People need to accept the possibility of emergent conditions.

The golden principle can be shown to be a result of evolutionary societal development

It has no foundation beyond being a superior survival strategy for communities.

https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Age-Earth-Davis-Young/dp/093466627X

this is his potential side of the argument:

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/7-how-old-is-the-earth

This is closer:

https://probe.org/christian-views-of-science-and-earth-history/

Try being a Cultural supremacist, being a racist is easy in comparison.

https://youtu.be/mUxmCXSmtVo?t=1m42s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs

Vsauce video gets really good 5:30

That video is blurred around the left and right edge, showing a deformity of the lense

fucking women meme derailed my point entirely

weeeee.... I love the property owner driven emergent democracy theory.

It also support arguments against non-property owners voting.

They are tossing the baby with the bathwater -

I don't mind his racist points of view - I can read 4chan and not get triggered when some racist posts on /pol/

Really don't like when people silence each other - even if I find literal nazi roleplayers disgusting, I will not want to silence one out of principle.

I want to hear Thomas Sowells argument on Culture vs Race disproven by Aryan or someone of similar points of view.

oh, it directly disproves Sowell's arguments? nice, thanks

I like reading stuff man, as long as it's quoting research properly.

He is literally winning Aryan argument for him by going into this nonsense.

When Aryan says "race 100% determinues culture" or something similarly deterministic - you can argue against that without arguing "race is NOT".

If you read that FAQ in the link I was given it does NOT claim race is 100% influential on cultural outcome

jabaited

Pro will not know how to attack this argument, lol

It's the correlation causation issue - he claims the iq is result of race and not of cultural condition

he needs to use the adoption study, which puts blacks at a smaller disadvantage than global bell curve

which means culture still has a superior influence

ADOPTION STUDY SHOWS OTHERWISE.

only 10iq point difference vs. 20-30-40 in African countries

Adoption studies, adoption studies, adoption studies, adoption studies....

I am triggered the debate does not mention adoption studies.

How do you argue in favor of environment over race without mentioning adoption studies. Weak.

no, it shows there is still a 10 point difference in races

but the difference is much smaller than vs. african in african country

so it shows culture has an equal or greater impact on iq

White famlies adopting black children = 90 iq vs 100 iq whites adopted average

Black children from the same country in africa 70 iq

Zuihou - my claim is that it's both (!)

Race/DNA influences IQ outcome, but also Culture, to a very great extent.

Adoption studies prove that quite conclusively.

I read that, does it include adoption studies and their resulting numbers?

I know them in general but I can find the relevant links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results

Yes, and they have two different interpretations used by the different sides.

Compare these numbers to average IQ in source countries of adopted children.

I am dead, this debate has gone to shit right next to a very nice climax

wow

he literally just torpedoed what I worked for 15-30 minutes to create

fuck me

this is why people who don't read a subject should not be allowed to debate.

how many brackets do you need for "bing it"

@Stalker I wanted Aryan and Wing to keep arguing that a society divided into upper-middle-and-underclass can be sustainable over long time periods.

Because I am pretty sure I can dig historical evidence of such societies existing before being invaded by destructive ideologies like marxism

USA 1900's to 1960's for example - before Welfare laws the African American community was doing incredibly well culturally from where it started

The decline started with a cultural shift - Welfare and the rise of Marxist victim culture in the 60's

Yeah but you can't point at those arguments when someone is REEEEEEEING Pro

@Stalker Perhaps it was white people, or perhaps it was European or simply Superior culture.

@Stalker the main issue is what we do with this knowledge - do we promote segregation like BLM does, or should we promote our superior CULTURE and advocate and force to the best of our ability their integration into it?

Will look him up.

Thomas Sowell and the 1940's through 1960's show otherwise.

Working class African Americans were at a much more stable and better place back then.

@Stalker forced is a pretty strong word, promoted culturally is a better one

All of them man, Intellectuals and Race, Rednecks, etc

"black rednecks & white liberals"

Mostly is another strong statement - correlation does not imply a causation on the level of "mostly"

Right now we have examples of Superior Culture adoption resulting in IQ going from "medically retarded" to "functional working class member of society".

So why not take that and promote Culture instead of advocating race.

You don't have to kill, you can integrate - they can keep their folk dancing and music in privacy of home or special event

But in an Office or Education or Institutional setting - you have to push European/World dominant English culture

Marxists use Race to fight against that

Racists from the Right use Race to fight against that too (!!!)

I feel surrounded.

Aryan and Wing claimed very loudly that Coexistance, that "Ataturk" like society cannot exist, that race war is inevitable

I disagree, I think Aryan and Wing and you are losing the opportunity to promote the Culture, and thus playing into the hands of groups like BLM, and advocating for losing strategies

@Stalker I think that is a weaker position than mine - I want the Culture to win and see both your kind of emphasis on Race, and groups like BLM as the Barbarians at the gates.

Culture > Race, Alt Right and BLM are just two sets of barbarians attacking Western Culture from different sides.

...by killing it

Western culture is rule of law and making any outsider adapt or leave. Alt Right literally calls for Balkanization.

Jews are one monolith entety oppressing the racially inferior "whites" /s