Hey I'm pretty new to the server, what's been on the discussion table already?

So Lakoff, Sowell, and Nader are the required reading for the winter break, gotcha

I've got Friedman's stuff sitting on my desk judging me for not reading it fast enough, and I'm only just getting into economic theory

got it thx

ngl I still think that ancaps are a bit wacky with their NAP, but I'm leaning towards libertarian thinking

I've yet to take an actual economics course, just political science and hist

i love this stuff, but its gonna be a long couple of days

real question tho

Whiskey or Brandy to sip while listening?

butigieg? going door to door confiscating firearms buttigieg?

yeah im not sure he polls well with any conservative worth his salt

that being said he is probably preferable to 90% of the wackjobs who ran

yeah she needs her next fix soon

goodness shes uncomfortable to look at for a space of time longer than 5 seconds

got my B's mixed up, my b

I gave up keeping the lot of them straight after the second debate, just voting trump of there isn't another republican

if

of course of course

my working hypothesis is that people are gonna actually swing warren and play the woman card at the last minute

I might seriously consider a libertarian fiscal policy trimming president if one ran

maybe in my lifetime

Oh please don’t tease me with that

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whats the point of these coins anyway?

always a bigger fish

theres no such thing as a real girl

wtf am i reading with mein innocent eyes

What fuckery have I walked in on this time with dotty?

Liquid cooled

Delete that shit!

It’s from platos republic, he was talking about the different classes of people in the pig eating city

The idea of a natural aristocracy was an idea that Madison and other founders believed in, they were opposed to any institution officially recognizing that status however

I disagree with anything hereditary for these positions, every generation needs to prove their mettle for leadership capability

Yeah I’m with rock here

Just because they hold the position of elites, they are MORE, not less likely than not to abuse that power

Wait that was phrased poorly

How so?

The middle position isn’t readily apparent to me

And what’s your alternative exactly? Not hostile just haven’t been here the whole time

I agree that most people who I would consider elite don’t hang out on discord chats generally speaking

Whoa dude not on board with that

So you’re disregarding that latter half of the platonic dialogue where he talks about the responsibilities that these “aristoi” have to the people within their control?

I think what people are talking past each other about here, is that we haven’t been clear by what metric these elites rise their station of control

Not how it works in practice man

Just made a killer corn chowder with potatoes and carrots

Accumulated wealth, family connections, and demagoguery also lead to the rise of rulers who shouldn’t necessarily be there

So brue, if not republican rule by a natural aristocracy, what form are you championing?

Still not clear on what that means

Well that ideology collapsed quickly

Unironic Anarcho-monarchism

Produce value for the state(company) using elites(executives) to direct the laborers(laborers)

Motive doesn’t matter if there aren’t enforcement mechanisms

How does one incentivize a monarch who already wields supreme authority

Night @ARockRaider

He can do that without the profit motive

Or brutally oppressing the populace

Just like old kingdoms

Good ol war taxes

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Speaking in metaphors to disguise the fact that it involves killing civilians deemed “downsizable”

Or over petty shite like marriage betrothals

@UnScottable the mushrooms or the unions? Onions

But there’s no effective check against the abuses of power

So you don’t think anyone can be arbitrary or capricious with their position?

Sorry you haven’t convinced me

Not really

‘Seed money’ to use your vocabulary

Just ripping on ancap stuff, keep going

Nope you changed it

Innate value yes, equal value no

Define valuable

The situation in which a person or tool finds themselves drastically changes its value

Jumping high and swimming faster are well and good, but not in selecting for leadership or worth of a citizen by itself

If I remember my readings properly, profit is generated between mutually consenting parties with a net benefit for both

Applying this to a medieval monarch, what profit do they generate without delegating to the serfs?

Not to sound like a communist, but that sounds exploitative

Sorry I gotta pull a Jordan Peterson, be back in 10-15

I’m familiar with the plumbers

I’m not done, but I’ve got a question for you to ponder

What is the distinction between a leader who generates profit and one who generates production in practical terms?

Ngl I’m pretty tired but I wanna talk later brue

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come on now dont mock the brainlet

@Goodwood of Dank™ that was a pine Martin, also in the mustelid family so close

They like eating bird eggs

@SufferBuddy waiting for the end times to share some beers

Show me your boogaloo face!

Pretty terrifying