The right has basically 1 or 2 forms of organizing the state they're going for, the Left has like 30

when society reaches a certain level of development

but nowadays industries don't play a big role, most people are working in service/finantial jobs I think

and the means of production aren't that easy to take hold of as stopping the production line

but what would be the achievable version of this, as the way stopping immigration and deporting illegals is to an ethnostate

that's true for big business, not so much small

No, I'm talking about short term goals that would get to these ideals

If you want to build an ethnostate, start by closing borders

If you want to build a socialist state, start by

minimum wage?

lol

How does that work for scientists or entrepeneurs? I mean there's a lot of ways capitalism builds and invents goods you can't quantify. Starting a business basically. I know wage slavery prevents 99% from actually building some capital themselves, wouldn't it be good to have a system that takes the burden off that and tries to use people's ambition to make society better

Making enough money to build a business? I'm throwing big words to try to ask how would things get better without competition

by things I mean technology

I'm talking about incentives under capitalism

for the prospect of starting a business yourself?

exactly

exactly

How else could we find a system where things like the Iphone could flourish?

true, the SU also had video games

the myth is that people like Leonid woud build this phone because she dreams of getting rich one day? But talented individuals usually care more about their craft than anything else

Or things like art, commercial art. Netflix or what not.

How did USSR artists get funding for movies?

Isn't it fair for someone who dedicated so much time into it to be rewarded at least by making a living out of it, or a getting better condition

but I'd say small to medium business owners do a lot of work to get their earnings

Memes don't require investment tho

But that's not the same as building a graphics card, it takes years of dedication I don't think anyone would do if it weren't for some compensation ie:. the prospect of living in better conditions than the majority

What's wrong with places like New Zealand? It seems monopoly and the richest are taxed enough that equilibrium of what you contribute vs what you get is ok

What's wrong with how New Zealand does it? Tax the rich feed the poor, under capitalism.