so who cares if it's you, right?
cuz you'll be dead

look, i don't think it's very productive to work into a system that seeks only to self-perpetuate the ruling class at the expense of externalities and pushing costs of lower prices on workers

yes, or work yourself to death hoping to be in a position to rule others.
sounds very compassionate

or work really hard at stealing surplus from the factors of production (capitalist phrase for workers) and expect them to just deal with it or starve

so they can simply afford to pay rent

nice

@Arch_NME

it's the same everywhere

no, i want to be able to afford more than just rent

yea, i guess being a floater at convience store is a really nice, marketable skill.
gonna change the world with that one

yea

i see you didn't pick up sarcasm

all the more reason to be angry and violent

find me.
do it

no. fucking kill me

yea, learning how to do a job just magically guarantees i'll get it

then explain the justice in skilled workers with years of experience not being able to find jobs after being laid-off

like programmers and engineers.
those skillsets are not in demand?

they can't find jobs tho

http://time.com/money/4758109/unemployment-is-really-low-so-why-cant-these-people-find-jobs/

"For 60-year-old Stephen Wayman of Landing, N.J., who has two degrees in mechanical engineering and more than 20 years of experience, the gap on his résumé is like a scarlet letter."

a job when you have the knowledge and experience is asking for too much?

how do you know

so why bother going to college to become an engineer if it's no longer in demand?
shouldn't have gone to college for that.
lol no, the rich and powerful can't afford to pay their literal trillions of dollars to hire more people.
how would they buy their 20th mansion and eat caviar every single day?
poor souls

wtf are you trying to accomplish here anyway?
this is leftypol

yea.
also just calling people you don't know lazy.
that's debating and makes you smart

so exploiting the labor of others when i start my own business, and receiving money from it by virtue of being a founder, the fastest way of being lightyears from dirt poor, that wouldn't be lazy?

why not?

to get to becoming lazy

nah.
i don't really appreciate idleness either way.
if i'm working, i don't want it to be for a system that incentivizes 'future idleness'

my mother has already made arrangements for me to leave the state for a prospective apprenticeship.
no guarantee i'm getting it.
i'm going to try anyway.
what other conceiveable choice do i have?
not give it a shot and simply be all the same amount of empowered to help my comrades? like, forever?
doesn't sound very pragmatic.
for what?

being too weak to help to help my comrades is not a choice i'd accept for myself

i've been focusing on this particular apprenticeship.
it's my best shot, at least for the time being

electrical work.
sure would come in handy in a commune

probably not.
it's hard to forgive the injustices i see daily because of neoliberalism, the democratic party manipulating people on welfare, destabilizing foreign economies for cheap goods, on top of the precarious job market because there are so few people who think 'future idleness' is virtuous

you're right about 711 though

you almost had me there on the sheer barbarism.
it would have worked if i didn't know about how figures like pinochet and montt came into power in s. america.
with u.s. support.
those dictators committed atrocities because red and black scare

isis does eclipse the u.s. with its sheer barbarism tho

biggest reason why i wish i could afford to join rojava.
to help them kill isis and be a part of their movement in general.
i also have a bone to pick with turkey anyway

i feel it's worth dying to defend the ypg and their movement

rojava?
they're trying to build coops.
i guess their method will take a lot of time, but their end-goal is the collectivization of the means of production

all larping from earlier aside, i don't want to use violence to abolish the state and privatization, so i stand firm about rojava. they're cool

against isis and turkey, aggressors.
in my opinion, those are forces worth driving away

do you mean capitalist in that it's voluntary?

cause that could have been the distinction i missed

and if rojava survives, i would be happy to contribute to their cause in times when they aren't experiencing conflict

can't believe he thought rojava was capitalist.
we agreed on isis and turkey being evil tho

seems legit 🤔

kill me.
come so i can throw molotovs at you

do it mother fucker.
i'll even serve you drinks before i go

bat'ko has a server?

he's a perfect ancom memer

i'm a lefty

i guess bat'ko could be ansyn, but then again, maybe not

this is fun to watch

>europe built by blacks

anarchism

yids gtfo

yids talking with yids about being yids

no, read bakunin.
marx was a banker joo

anarchism hates the joo

stalin was merely brainwashed by the bolshies (jews)

bakunin was totally on to you yids.
you can't fool me

i support tranners. they need to be protected and then taught how to protect themselves

dey dindu nuffin

look at doma.
that idiot probably votes

😂

french revolutionary cosmopolitanism?

with a hint of marxist-leninism

but white supremacists are lame

because they insist on being wrong about which race is TRULY supreme

only ancaps hate roads

rojava is waging war just fine without the state

i know

they should really just call themselves "voluntaryists"

even though wage slavery isn't voluntary

anarchist construction workers

construction workers must be liberated.
then they will be able to build and maintain roads, and we can cut out the capi middlemen and pay the workers directly

only if it's justified

yes, they just need a plan

we don't stop fighting the statists and the bourgeoisie because we get tired.
ideally, they would decide to stop when it's time, and i'm sure they can agree on a designated time to stop

i wouldn't know

maybe, maybe not.
people can learn discipline from positive role-models, not just bosses

in all matters concerning boots, i refer to the authority of the boot maker

you are asking me for expertise i don't have.
ask the experts

this is probably a state of affairs the workers in construction are accustomed to.
why would it be a problem for them?

why is it a problem that we can pay the workers directly for their labor?

i think we need to investigate what methods of horizontal organization are better than others in construction, before discrediting anarchism as a whole.
and to know that, we need the experts

how long have you worked in construction?

that's not really a window for cultivating expertise, in any industry/trade

let the workers and the externalities decide which practices are best implemented

let the experts train the beginners

i think it would be better for them to temporarily split into different unions within their syndicate and hold both accountable for their respective mistakes.
this could take months of oversight, but if they really are desperate to investigate new methods and materials, perhaps they should build dummy projects first and see how they hold up

same logic still applies, technically.
temporary split, see how they stack side by side

i can volunteer to join a group that gathers more resources

what is volunteering?

are you saying i should expect to be paid for volunteering to search for material resources, which are going to be limited as a given?

the syndicate, unfortunately

it would pay the externalities, and workers harmed