I know, and the powers that be love the EU as well

Its a weird state where the monarch, the PM, and the people all want out, but because the rest of parliament and the businesses and the EU wants us in we will remain

Honestly dude fuck the UK and Europe at this point 🤷

Think you will find people still care about the queen mate 😆

And her opinions matters- its a shame she is remaining apolitical on this issue of all of them

<Monarchist through and through <:pepe:312704217028493312>

Having a singular ruler at this point might achieve more than parliament at this point 🤷

No one in parliament is at risk of death unfortunutely, I personally think they should be legally accountable for their manifestos- promise something to get into office and fail to deliver, well off to jail with you, people would make promises a lot less flippantly tbh

Course you can and we should

If you get in on a pack of lies you should be held accountable

Well then maybe they should 1) start costing their manifestos (if you promise tax cutes how are you going to fund and cover that), 2) stop adding all manner of crap if they are going to flip (corbyrn, ardent leaver till it was happening then swapped remain) thats two right there

You should still have to justify it, it is ok to change your mind, but you must be able to present why you did so- better known as evidence based practice

Simply doing it because its the opposite of what the govt is doing is spineless

No it isn't

Its their job to present (factual) alternative ideas, not merely hear the point and state "I disagree"

Talking to the wrong person bud, I genuinely believe Blair, Cameron, and possibly May should all be jailed

Brown meh, Milliband was spineless but I think his bro will deal with him, and BoJo is actually trying so I give him the benefit of the doubt

Cameron got in on both elections for a EU referendum, he failed the first election, and did it unwantingly the second, and stood down when it didn't go his way

The leader is the leader for a reason, if he gets in on lies as I said he should go to jail

Your manifesto is essentially you promising to carry out certain actions within a 4 year period, because at the end of that you will potentially not be in for the next- if you fail to deliver on those you lied to the electorate and should be punished

That is the only way people will take politics seriously- when politicians are held accountable

I agree that needs to go

And the house of the lords while we are it

The problem is most people who become lords generally speaking own businesses or other forms of wealth, they are only ever going to vote in favour of themselves, and as far as i'm aware we don't elect them either- so they are incumbent till whenever the PM or Queen wants to change them

Exactly the problem

Getting rid of first past the post and the HoL would be a start, then like I said hold the politicians in the HoC legally accountable for what they promise

If they fail to deliver public tribunal to see why- if its fair ok walk along, if it was them just using it for points fine/prison

The referendum was on the ballot since Blair

The bottom line is all BRexit has shown is how contemptable they view the British people- both the UK parliament and the EU

You cant run a country where the elected hate the electors nd try to usurp them 🤷

Dude my biggest question is why terrorists always attack the common man, dark waters I know but look at 9/11, did anyone in those towers really have a say in the foreign policy of America? Nope, the people who did were in the senate and the white house- should of gone for them instead of the common man just trying to get his way through life, but that is my 2 cents

I would argue the other way, that we live in a democratic oligarchy, where the few elite rule over the serfs and the class system is still very much what divides everybody 🤔

And we get just enough bread crumbs to keep playing the game

Because if we stopped- well, Hello French and Russian revolutions where people were executed...

I personally think the system has failed, at least for the UK and EU, and the legal establishment and all the other institutions that are supposed to keep those checks and balances are no longer working as intended, though I do not know the answer and will personally never resort to terror or civil war, I would rather just leave and find a country that has its shit in order 🤔

Look at all these interweb hard talkers <:pepe:312704217028493312>

Why aren't you out protesting or causing trouble <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Already there

"lets talk hard on the internet about shooting rape gangs instead of trying to ensure it is a reality" <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Everyone a gangster till its time to do gangster shit then most of you all will be hiding <:pepe:312704217028493312>

True dude

I could not give a fuck about the UK anymore, I am just gonna troll the shite out of everyone else who says "we need change" while not going out and doing the things to bring about "change"... <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Well if you believe there is as much support for your cause as you think then no you wouldn't because Britain doesnt have that many cells

But it is a case of are you willing to chance it 🤔

I say again, why are you not out there organising and attending protests then <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

I am literally telling you all you are pathetic- you don't like the way things are, and you sit on discord whinging about it instead of going outside and taking real world action 🤷

I've done real world action dude, I got bored of it 🙂

And what is the end result?

You are still here- achieving nothing

I am taking the piss out of all of you and smirking at you tbh

"Meh my child rapists are not getting shot, but I wont go out and protest to change the law, or even run a digital petition" <:LUL:456454077681893388>

Nah it wouldn't work- it would 100% fail due to the EU and UK human rights laws, but I would have respect for your conviction and trying to change it

As opposed to whinging and doing nothing

100% British and probs more right to be here than most <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Well yea

Well yea, we can argue genetics and heritage, culture, or service 🤔

I ticked all of those boxes <:pepe:312704217028493312>

Bottom line- you are still here and most of you have probably not set foot out of the UK if you British, much fewer out of Europe <:pepe:312704217028493312>

Whinging on discord about how hard times are

If your conversation achieves nothing then it is a waste of breath- much like this conversation we are having <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

After you

The UK isnt fighting shit dude

Most of you are piss weak, and whinge on discords 🤷

Former soldier dude, seen more action in my left bollock then your entire life- and i'm still telling you, your a loser <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

many different units, I got attached all over 🤷

Off the top of my head, 2RI, 2Med, 3Med, 2Mer, 23Eng

I am indeed thankyouf ro your recognition I live for it <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

I already have medals 🤷

And i'm still telling you your "crusade" is pathetic <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

The UK tard

Yes, I am a secret service Jihadi inshallah hombre

If your discussion achieves nothing it is a waste of time and effort

As I already said like this one now 🤷

Well it is achieving nothing

Well im about to go overseas and offshore novatar <:pepe:312704217028493312>

No I patched up wounded, and collected the dead, and swept a couple off the road 🤔

Shot at a few times too <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Essentiall a CMT (Combat Med Tech)

I am thanks

So special i'm here with you lot <:pepe:312704217028493312>

Well we fuck traps

a hole is a hole

No I 100% believe you would all go to jail, but I can respect someone who stands up for their beliefs no matter the outcome, then someone who bitches about it online and does nothing outside, i'll just hide behind anonymity <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

I respect Tommy for standing up for himself for that reason 🤷

I dunno what a zog is <:pepe:312704217028493312>

I'm not in anymore, I left 2 weeks ago after 7 years 🤷

As I said, off shore and over seas now- more money in both 🤔

Be a soldier get 28K as a lance jack, go private get 60K+ (upto 120K) annually, not a hard decision tbh

I don't care dude, life is all jokes to me, as is mocking discord users 🙂

You know that got mocked by soldiers right <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

You go to a camp and most have a jack hanging up in their room, I definitely did <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Yea it got roundly discredited

Came out about 6 years ago

Well like I said- they were ignored 🤷

The only people who bit were the media and the retards

Now the actual problem in the military is what they are trying to do and why I bounced- Political Correctness <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Like in your yearly objectives they have mandated but not mandated that if you want promotion your first objective MUST be "I wish to promote an environment of diversity and inclusion" <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

If you don't have that Glasgow will turn away your promotion report 🤷

"Looking at opponents as traitors" came about coz of Corbyn <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

He is widely seen as a traitor