remember, nationalising something means that it'll be kept on life support forever

i'd rather they just die

you know that most people in america illegally were originally in there legally?

oh, sure, i agree

but focusing on it exclusively is bad optics

you need an id to get a job in america?

huh

in the UK the way it works is we give the workplace people our national insurance number

which is explicitly not id

i got a new job last month and i only needed the NI number OMEGALUL

"change my mind" is also a meme

people say it to stuff where they aren't really expecting a conversation

i followed him on twitter at some point but had to unfollow, so annoying

sargon has not historically been good at debates

winters destroyed him that one time remember

"autistic" as a phrase is retarded Keepo

propositional logic is glorious

i understand, it happens

this leftist hate OMEGALUL

i'm not sure humans (a social creature) could live without a hierarchy... There is natural parental hierarchy to start with, let alone you can see the hierarchies in nature.

that sounds really r/thathappened

lel who needs !agree when manually approved

idk 0 hour work weeks are genuinely exploitative imo

it's not fair on the person because they never can make any plans

well, no one should be desperate enough to have to take a 0 hour work week

on-call != 0 hour work week

because they exist, there are unfortunate situations were a person has to take that kind of job

the answer to 0 hour work weeks isn't communism though, it's stable jobs.

probably, but that doesn't mean those aren't shitty too

minimum wage laws are a tough topic

because i don't think an-cap philosophy will result in good conditions for regular people

flexible contracts are pretty shitty too, agree

an-cap philosophy just leads people to working unreasonable hours to support themselves and their families

"mUh BaSiC eCoNoMiCs" idk i'm pretty sure every first world country has a minimum wage law, it's not vital to remove them

if your business can't survive without employing people reliably, then your business deserves to fail

labour can be exploited though?

problem is that people don't control the job markets, companies do.

getting paid next to nothing for work is equivalent to slavery. that's the whole point of the minimum wage

labour is not a luxury.

people need money

this means that they HAVE to have a job.

this means that if companies just offer next-to-nothing salaries, then that's what people have to take

>calling me a commie
lul

sorry if i don't like people to be forced to work unreasonable hours for fuck all pay

you CAN'T negotiate your pay

that's not how it works!

companies have an amount

that they can pay

that they offer

if you don't like that, you can't say "pay me 10k more"

you'll be laughed out

have you ever had a job?

"econ lesson is over" lul

yeah, definitely a commie, absolutely, is that the best you've got?

people can do that if they want

but the boss can literally always say no if they wanted

the company is the one entirely in control

you have to find another job to be "in control"

unions can be bad, but anti-unionism is worse

america is pretty good at anti-unionism

britain too

how?

what do you mean HOW?

companies have HUGE liberties in america to crush unionisation

this is why industries like video games have regular lay offs after big releases and keeping next to no permanent employees to reduce tax and healthcare costs

forced unionisation is bad for sure, agree, but not being able to make unions is worse

brb

aight i'm back

@Fredde the Duck yeah slavery really makes the people free haha

that's what fredde said

that's what "the freer the market the freer the people" means

slavery is the endgame of an-cap philosophy

where am i wrong?

slavery is literally a free labour market

^ @Tero

"slavery" of those in prison isn't slavery, anyone who says that is retarded

private prison systems are also garbage, just encourages unfair laws to be lobbied

citizenship is unconcentual OMEGALUL

idk that thought is funny tho

at least rothbard understands where an-cap would lead lul

rather than just denying that it would

mUh ElItIsM

how dare those greys, filthy, i tell you.

you know ancap philosophy exists, right?

like

i'm not just "making something up"

and is there anything i said that doesn't conform with said ancap philosophy?

i'm not sure the average right leaning american would advocate slavery lul

prison isn't slavery OMEGALUL

well, if they are being unfairly targeted, that would be one thing, but that's separate from the prison == slavery argument

if any group is being unfairly targeted, that is wrong.
but saying prison == slavery is also wrong

imo if you fucked up enough to get sent to prison then you must accept the consequences.

obviously there are unfair laws but that's a separate issue

lel what places do you think are ancap?

@MountainMan OMEGALUL

semantics are important otherwise your working on different definitions and cannot create a productive conversation.

stefan molyneux OMEGALUL

because it's funny?

no, i'm a twitch user

sorry if you don't know anything about internet gaming culture