Unless you live in the UK, then they are a thing

Commodification of everything is not good, but better than alternatives

Socialism is basically when the state becomes one gigantic corporation

Most are not communists

Obama was centrist, slightly to the right

I admit that

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/519203112045641746/602978202633240628/party-split-jpg.png

Neoliberalism is big gay

AOC is socdem in practice, probably, just because of pragmatism

I believe AOC would institute socialism if actually given the chance tho

Social democracy is not commies

Bernie is socdem absolutely

Social democracy is government programs

Democratic socialism is socialism and a stepping stone to communism

US has many social democrat policies

Redistribution and free shit can be either social democracy or socialism

Under actual socialism, there is no "free" shit really, you are given a job by the government and forced to work

The state becomes a giant corporation, and all citizens its employees

My parents lived through it

You can choose your workplace, sure

Most people have to work to survive though

I am fortunately self-employed and choose what I do

I definitely wouldn't want to be a wagecuck

High income inequality destroys nations though

It's the best predictor of violent crime rates there is

That is also a good predictor

Thing is, the income inequality causes higher crime even in entirely white countries

Africa has the highest income inequality in the world, interestingly

It's an ideology of monopolization of society by the government

Stalin made Russia a superpower tho

When you make the entire state a megacorporation, it allows you to industrialize and develop rapidly, however, eventually the mismanagement fucks the system up

Holodomor was a result of mismanagement tbh

Pol Pot was by far the most evil and murderous commie

No

Mao wasn't murderous, the deaths were a side effect

Pol Pot was murderous

Massively industrializing the country and pulling people from farms to cities and factories

That's the cause of holodomor

Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe

It was hit the hardest

Interesting

He personally?

No

They pulled people from the farms to cities, there weren't enough people to work the land, less food was produced

Mao was a bit murderous, but Pol Pot was on an entire other level

Che was a shit person tbh

Raped people

😄

Communists also rapidly industrialized Russia and China tbh

Like, nothing is just black and white

I would argue communism is shit and there are better alternatives, but it wasn't just completely bad on every level

My parents and grandparents experienced it

I live in a post-socialist country

They are estimates tbh

Very vague ones

I would argue most in Slovakia who prefer it just have nostalgia for their younger years

Nah

Hitler deliberately wanted genocide

Commies just had it as a side effect

If you submit and let your property be seized, they will let you live tho

Czechoslovakia was okay-ish under socialism

We didn't have bread lines, but lines for more exclusive goods

The 100 million figure includes all deaths tbh

Starvation and gulags

Most of it starvation caused by mismanagement and mass industrialization

I believe the rising pro-socialist sentiments in young people are a result of income inequality going up

Where did he/she defend mass murder specifically tbh

Slovak communist party has like 0.2% of the vote

I don't consider people who just have a political opinion I disagree with to be subhuman, just misinformed tbh

That goes for all, including fascists, commies and anarcho-primitivists

The government did

It was socialism

I don't think commies were deliberately genocidal

It was a side effect

They were willing to have that side effect, but that's different from nazis, where it was the intention

Just like US invaded Iraq, with a side effect of killing half a million civilians

Katyn was a war crime tbh

Khmer Rouge was intentional, yes

Katyn was done to subdue Poland

Fucking hell

Gotta work

Ever entering Africa was a fucking mistake

They don't deserve the railroads, laws and infrastructure they got

Yeah

Communism is a big umbrella tbh

Pol Pot did genocide

I don't think Mao did

Genocide needs to be deliberate

Just fucking up shit and having people die as a side effect isn't genocide

Holodomor was not deliberate

Holodomor was an unfortunate side effect of industrialization

Great Leap forward starvation was an unfortunate side effect of industrialization

To feed the Soviet Union

Because too little people were working in the farms and were moved to cities and factories

XD

Hitler genocided a lot of people

It was

Jews, gypsies, gays and disabled were intentionally killed

And these wartime deaths were not genocide

What Mao did was manslaughter-level, what Hitler did was murder