Yes.

why on earth would you do anything in python

Python is very convenient for quick prototyping.

Bitch, did you know the two most languages used at Google are C++ and Python?

`prototyping`

There's this neat tool, called SWIG.

it is just trash

I'd do anything in Python because I had to, someone asked me to, or my team or employer uses it, i suppose

I cannot understand why people use it so much

it doesn't deserve popularity

It does.

the fact that it uses tabs instead of brackets is mind blowing

It uses spaces.

is there any point in java?

I see, you're one of those immature programmers that think you're too cool for indentation.

most people hate java

isn't it popular to shit on java?

Indentation is something you already do, no matter what language.

^

Python just uses that information.

i avoid running any java programs if I can

lol

but that .jar

god I leave this channel for 2 seconds

it might not be java, it could be the programmers, but they dont have very good performance

and no I don't think indentation is unimportant, but the opinionated way it is implemented as a language feature is retarded

also why have a colon at the start of blocks?

isn't that just a {

it is popular to s††† on java, thats why if anyone shits on it i ask them why because its very hard to trust someone shitting on anything--they might just not know it well enough

I think Java has quite a bloated syntax

tbh

used it for a couple years for LWJGL dev

didn't feel nice to work with

also aren't chars signed?

that is dumb

theres an old joke, something like -- java programmers look like theyre working harder because they can turn in 300 lines of java code instead of 50 lines of c++

lol

Java, as a language, has many design problems. As a platform, it's annoying that it claims to be multi-platform, when in reality it is its own platform. As standard API goes, it has many retarded APIs that were just rushed out the door. Most of the time, programming in Java feels like assembly, because you're forced to do so many tedious steps.

kek

James Gosling himself once said, the advantage of Java was that even unskilled programmers could make some progress.

XD

I don't like the whole package thing that java has

Now if only C++ wasn't a monolith of patchwork expansions

lol

well what is the best middleground between the 2? Python?

yeah, but I still would prefer c++ to some other languages out there

isn't it python 2 that thinks the following is okay?
```python
print "this is fine"
```

Yes.

why

It isn't valid anymore for Python 3.

that is bash syntax

I know

Because they thought "print" should be a language statement, not a function.

???????

It was "too special" to be a function.

that abstracts it so hard

it never teaches programmers that it is piping a string to stdout

at least java does that

?

does the line of code need to teach the programmer each and every time?

it should show what it is doing

the language statement, that makes it basically like typing an int?

That would be a valid line of argumentation, if Java didn't already run on top of a system written in C, where `stdout` is a universal feature.

@M4Gunner not quite, but close I guess

```java
System.out.println("Hello, world!");
```

ew

i wouldnt *rather* type ``printf("``

We call that **verborrhea**.

out is a public static property of the System class that is auto imported

that is never conveyed to the progammer

^^but that up there is too long

it is weird

God forbid you have to format a string for output.

printf(garbage)

Do I use strings? string builders? string buffers? wut?

in c++ ``System.out.println`` is just ``cout <<`` right?

I think Java has a String.format function or something

yes

yeap

you can format string in java

Java's standard library is built around implementations, not around what the programmer needs to accomplish.

cout is a basic ostream from the iostream header

```cpp
std::cout << "Hello, world!" << std::endl;```

also fags that do `using namespace std;` can gtfo

uh cant you just type ``cout`` without anything preceding it

no

```
String.format()
Since: 1.5```

in c++11?

@M4Gunner that requires you to do `using namespace std;` which removes the need to specify the namespace

which is really bad

i put that just once? unless i need to change it later?

elaborate?

you can't stop using it once you have specified that

or it will make other funcs use the wrong namespace?

Just
```cpp
using std::cout;
using std::endl;```

cant elaborate outside my depth, so ignore my question if it seem too dumb 😃

@M4Gunner don't listen to this man

i listen to everyone

and then decide on my own

no he is an evil man, trying to trick you into bad code practices