maybe up it to 25%, but then it becomes less popular

NOT REALLY, THAT WILL BE A SLOW BUT STEADY DECLINE

ALSO OTHER METHODS CAN BE USED

MY FAVORITE WOULD BE TO PAY PEOPLE TO BE STERILIZED

It's very good if we don't have to be cruel

THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER, SHOULD DIE OUT

more popular

easier in every way

NOT JUST THAT

SANER FOR OURSELVES

HEALTHIER

So when we don't kill any one, but they simply don't breed, and they get welfare for it

WE DO NOT WANT TO BOND OURSELVES TO OTHERS THROUGH A CONTRACT OF VIOLENCE

that's a good long term investment

I DUNNO ABOUT WELFARE; I HAD FIGURED A ONE-TIME PAYMENT

I know that I would refrain from breeding if I was the bottom 10%, but I wouldn't want to kill myself for it

HIGHER FOR LOWER IQ PEOPLE

Welfare doesn't have to be continous

"THE DUMBER YOU ARE, THE MORE WE PAY"

welfare is not bad

It's still a welfare gift

capitalism is foolish

WELFARE CREATES WEAKNESS, IN MY VIEW

CAPITALISM BY ITSELF IS FOOLISH

CAPITALISM GUIDED BY SOMETHING ELSE IS THE BEST OPTION

Welfare supports a certain kind of behavior or being

SOCIALISM CREATES DEPENDAS

if you support weakness, then you create it

THAT TOO

Hey @diversity_is_racism wanna hear a song I made for @Hagel ?

AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE INDUCED INTO IT

But you can support good tyhings that the free market will not support

IT CREATES EXISTENTIAL FUTILITY

welfare does not create weakness, look at great painters in history or great scientists pre revolution and you will find many of them were sponsored by nobles

@spaceplacenta I AM STILL LISTENING TO LAST ONE! BUT YES

That is what welfare is for, that is the value of socialis

I LIKE THE PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES AND DYNAMICS

I CAN SEE WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT MELODIES

they were literal welfare queens being paid to exist

That's a good example, Exilarch. Fine art is not profitable

it needs welfare to exist

PULL AN EPIC MELODY AND SEMI-EPIC ONE OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND YOU WILL HAVE A GREAT TRACK

lots of great shit in history came from basically welfare

SPONSORSHIP BY NOBLES IS NOT WELFARE

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dwu2pgrwjc4tjak/Ludvig%20plays%20Starcraft.mp3?dl=1

IT IS GRANTS

GIVEN TO THOSE WHO DEMONSTRATE APTITUDE

OPPOSITE PRINCIPLE OF WELFARE

WHICH IS TO HAND PEOPLE MONEY FOR BEING HUMAN

most of ancient greece with all their philosophers were buff guys sitting around lifting weights and wondering about stuff

GRANTS = REWARD HIGH QUALITY; WELFARE = LOW QUALITY

hahahahaha

Classic Exilarch

ancient greece kicked ass and produced tons of geniuses because slaves did work while the white guys got buff and used their brains

THERE IS A LARGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GIVING GRANTS TO PHILOSOPHERS

AND PAYING PROLES TO PROLE

AND BECAUSE ALL THE GUYS WRITING WERE UPPER CASTE

MOST OF WHOM WERE WEALTHY ANYWAY

REMEMBER THAT SOCRATES ARGUED FOR MONEY AND PLATO WAS A UNIVERSITY TEACHER

SO THEY WERE EMPLOYED

DITTO ARISTOTLE

Sokrates was a bum though

My argument is simply this

NOTICE THE FIRST PAGES OF THE REPUBLIC

WHEN THEY ARE ARGUING OVER

What we reward and encourage, we will see more of. The free market does not always reward what's best

HIS FEE

THIS IS WHY WE NEED A CASTE SYSTEM

THE FREE MARKET REWARDS WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTS

SO WE NEED A DISCERNING AUDIENCE

As long as it isn't purely hereditary, I'm fine with that

Different people will fulfill different functions in society

THAT IS WHAT A HEREDITARY SYSTEM DOES

I WOULD MAKE IT HEREDITARY ENTIRELY

PRESERVE TRAITS, NOT EXTINGUISH THEM

BUT EVEN IN THAT

Exceptional people are sometimes the children of unexceptional parents

I do not disagree with that, that is great

PEOPLE CAN GRADUALLY MOVE CASTE OVER GENERATIONS

@Deleted User 57835c2c supporting a world class genius is not welfare. That is not even remotely comparable.

Are you going to waste that just because of his parents?

@Hagel NOT AT RANDOM. CHECK THE GRANDPARENTS.

ALSO, SEE THE GRANT SYSTEM

YOU CAN REWARD THEM FOR SPECIFIC ACTS

And sometimes, great parents get unlucky and have a shit kid

AND EMPLOY THEM AS STEWARDS

do not be fixated on the acts

reward the character

Just not as often

THERE ARE WAYS OF DEALING WITH SHIT KIDS

Do you want that shit kid to have the power to rule?

AGAIN: 20%

Or do you want to move him to a new caste?

THIS IS WHY ARISTOCRACY IS A MESH, NOT LINEAR

NO, YOU DECLARE HIM INSANE AND FARM HIM OUT TO THE COUNTRY

AS WAS DONE

@redpillavatar I AGREE AND WISH WE HAD THE REAL GRANT SYSTEM

it's like a salary, you don't pay them to specifically sit at the computer and do a certain task, those are wage people, you pay a salary to people who can nonspecifically aid the company. Your grant idea would mean taking that even farther, supporting people who can nonspecifically aid society

LIKE WHAT SUPPORTED THE CLASSICAL COMPOSERS

@Deleted User 57835c2c AGREED