i am liberal

center left

I at least respect socialists and communists

you respect libs?

I respect people who are principled on the left and at least are forward with what they want

whats wrong with being centrist

Because you have no principles or policies

?

yh we do

If you don't wanna take time to learn about policies and all that you shouldn't be discussing politics

ik what policys i want

People only say they're centrist to pickup women

dont confuse centrists with apolitical lol

Explain to me what a centrist is then

centrists usually find themselves there due to being right wing on some policies and left wing on others

Such as?

yh i am like that

i am manyy left though

mainly

You're probably referring to socially liberal but fiscally left

I mean right fiscally

well you can be however you wanna be

you could be pro-life but anti guns

you kno

it comes down to a persons beliefs

i am pro choicew

True liberals and SJWs at least are up front about what they want

guns shpould be regulated

sjws are far left

I fully support abortion too

It's mostly blacks and Mexicans who get it so whatever

Guns should barely be regulated @MRLOcelot23

no because gun regulation is a slippery slope towards banning them completely and that isnt what the US was founded on

Why do you think guns should be regulated?

brb

Let me give you a statistic

Take all gun deaths and remove suicide, blacks, and Mexicans and the other 80% of America which collectively holds 300 million + guns has the same rate as Western Europe @MRLOcelot23

The truth is America doesn't have a gun problem, it's the black and Mexican community that has a gun problem.

I agree @Walter

Most people however use it as an excuse to bypass political readings or discussion

@ErnieLanders statistics are racist

😉

Like I said, I at least respect hard left people who want to ban guns, open the borders, etc. at least they're truthful about what they want and aren't afraid to state it unlike most liberals

a real liberal wouldn't want to regulate guns

We must press these issues today because you know liberals will remove race from crime statistics soon and then we're really fucked

someone join vc

Lol seriously, liberals loved Obama and are now all extreme left wing

yeah, those are socialists

Don't give me this bs on not wanting to regulate guns

The last 2 democratic nominees or presidents (Obama and Hillary) were both extremely anti gun

yes

hillary and obama aren't liberals

they're socialist

Hillary used to bitch about trump not waiting for the facts before calling a Muslim attack a Muslim attack and look how fast she blamed the NRA and wanted to push gun bans

Same thing these days

im a socialist and i like peepee

@Walter the definition doesn't change <:ree:356316447548375070>

the people did

Classic liberalism is dead. Race is now the determining factor for the left

so they're not liberals anymore

liberalism in general is dead

they've moved onto socialism and they're clinging to the liberal name

don't be fooled

Modern day liberalism doesn't make sense anyways

And no, when tens of millions of people cling to the term it's meaning does change

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Liberalism today stands for a mix of race baiting + anti gun + pro abortion + socialism

The past two potential presidents and left president proved hat

the modern liberalism you talk about is just socialism in all but name

And every potential 2020 nominee proves it

Socialism is just an economic term, has nothing to do with the abortion or gun or rave baiting stuff

Which is why I stated that's what liberalism is today

It neatly wraps all those things

back

whats going on?

@ErnieLanders liberalism today stands for things like free healthcare free college pulling out of the wars etc

social liberal is kinda differt

differnt

That's socialism

But yes same thing

Today's liberals are very left wing

wanting free stuff isnt far left

most other countrys have it

Free healthcare would destroy America

?

how?

thounds of people die every year cause they dont have access to healthcare

i say lets make sure that dosnt happen

and how do you propose we do that?

So let's start with an easy one. Right after that law is passed, every single Mexican in Mexico will grab a horse and try to get into America

Every single human being on earth will try to enter illegally

the thing is though

most countrys already have free healthcare

Secondly, Medicare is a pretty shitty system you know this right?

And that's not true, most of those European countries DO NOT have free healthcare

That's just a lie

they do

Only a few tiny tiny ones do

uk nordic countrys france

etc

geremany

etc

Germany does not have free unified healthcare

the most delvoped countrys

not free lmao

ik its tax payed

they get paid for with tax

we decrease milltary spending increase taxes on the ritch

Germany's system is a free market system

there we have a dhitton more money

really?

ok nvm then

Germany has a sickness fund but you can't compare us to them

but still quite alot of devloped places in euore have it

Small tiny rich countries have it

eourpe

like uj

uk

nordic countrys

france

yh small countrys

Those countries don't have hoarded of minorities who want free stuff

yh they do

Nor are their cultures based off of get rich or die trying

and ours shouldnt be that

thats fucked up

Germans obviously want to take care of their fellow Germans

You think I care about blacks in Detroit ? You think Jamal in Baltimore gives a shit about poor whites in Mississippi?

@MRLOcelot23 the countries you are listing are growing extremely slowly economically

but the people there are happy

Yes that's another thing, those countries have no growth because the govebrment gobbles everything up

Lol wtf I'm happy in America

the nordic countrys are the happyest places on earth

america is like 25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

yh

Please, those countries are good for being poor and that's it

whats this?

most peoploe in the nordic countrys are p[retty well off

In America being middle class means a big house, new cars, the best electronics, etc

no it dosmt

@MRLOcelot23 I don't think healthcare is why everyone is upset

Do you realize how cheap stuff is in America compared to Nordic countries

half america makes 30k a year or less

Even being poor in America means a pretty decent lifestyle

thats true

not really grrea though

great

not perferable

I guarantee you most poor people have smartphones

@MRLOcelot23 that isn't true

Plus the biggest thing you're forgetting is America has the most income mobility on earth

much less than half of america makes under 30k a year

Yea seriously

Plus remove certain minority groups and America really shines on paper

So your liberal talking points don't really make sense @MRLOcelot23

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/goodbye-middle-class-51-percent-of-all-american-workers-make-less-than-30000-dollars-a-year.html

btw

you havnt really conviced me

hi

poverty rate is less than 30k a year

hello

what is it?

28k for a family of 5

If someone works hard, tries to improve themselves, is nice and courteous, etc they will grow beyond 30k a year

There's no one to blame but those people

not really

I know people who were janitors making more

the ritch screw them over

btw

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/most-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck.html

Yes because people can't control their money

Not the tax payers fault if people buy shit they can't afford or have too many kids

so how will taxing them more help them make more money

i never said tax them more

yes you did

He wants to tax the rich only

you said free healthcare

yes rthey have money

and decrease milltary spending

The top 10% already pay something like 90% of all U.S. Govebrment taxes

@ErnieLanders its not that they cant controol thee money they barly have enoug to control

It's insane and people just want more

no they dont

so you think taxing the poor persons boss won't effect their income?

The solution is to create more competition so prices go down on everything. That's it.

not all

and yes they have the money

tax them

idc if they worked hard

Creating giant government programs always fuck us over

you hasve money we tax so you

That's called theft @MRLOcelot23

?

its called tax

you tax the people you have money more

but you'd fuck over the poor people and cause unemployment that way

how is it

you have more money

Mark zuckerburg was 19 in his underwear when he created Facebook (which is worth 400 billion today). How did he screw over poor people?

corruuption in poltics

He didn't, he simply expanded and created wealth

ritch buy out the poltians

they do there biding

That's the beauty of capitalism, before it wealth never grew

Politicians? What?

yh

the ritch buy them out

@Deleted User 904fdf23 idc how they mae there wealth quite alot inherited it

I'd argue the majors of industries aren't effected by politicais

@MRLOcelot23 actually no

Majority*

most millionaries didn't inherit the wealth they have

wel good for them

Income mobility in America is the best on earth because of the free maker replace we have

80% of millioinaires didn't inherit there wealth

Marketplace *

they're first time millionaires

@Deleted User 904fdf23 oh the ppoor ritch they never get a break with the republicains always lowering taxes on them

Does everyone here understand how social security is a giant scam?

there really strrugling

i dont

but i wanna know

Social security is probably the biggest scam in America history

explain

Maybe human history if you calculate the numbers

They take 7% of your check for a 1-2% yearly gain. If you looked at the market during those periods you can't imagine how much wealth America lost :/ @MRLOcelot23

Once again, all to help the bottom 10%

yes

Those bottom 10% screw everyone else

they need the help

not really

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People really need to wake up and couch the numbers on how much money is being lost cause of ss

they need help cause there poor af for whatever reason

FDR was probably the worst president in American history

i love him but fair enough

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@Crypto Groyper cant firgue who yours was ;p

I swear to god if trump doesn't privatize social security

he said he wouldnt

He did?

What

yh

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+social+security+

@MRLOcelot23 how come americans are happier than the french

how come the nordic countrys are happyer than america

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

polls