Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, **ancestry,** and language.

yeah so?

its just one thing out of tons of that

whats ya point

treating ancestry as different from phonotypical expression or underlying genetic determiners is just plain dishonest

@CapitalistCuck its the other way around with germany

basically everything that defines race can be defined under ancestry

I personally don't care if someone's anything.

Well germany got yeeted in the end so not really.

to just include that and act like that is somehow different than whats previously mentioned is just dishonest

the shit you guys find to divide humanity over, its mind boggling

@Irish Princess isnt the term "anything" a bit too far

@Deleted User ofc humanity is divided

Probably.

its called evolution

aight, im gonna start being hair colorist, intelligenist and ageist

Lmao

But I don't really care about ethnicity or 'shared ancestry'. If you want to be whatever, I don't give a shit. I'm a citizen of the world first and foremost.

dont talk to me unless u have black hair, a 4.0 gpa and are within 6 months of my age

Hair colourist

xD

thing is i cant remeber the last time i saw a homeless chinese man

we can only compete within the species for greater reproductive success with other members of our species @Deleted User

yeah so?

people obviously are bound to make groups of common ancestry to increase their collective competitive advantage

its only natural that division and inter-group competition takes place

Well id argue peoples goal in life is simply to live an individual and do what makes you happy.

aww yeah, my gpa is still 4.0

just checked

why would i want to unite with everyone else when its their difference that creates a lifestyle that is less preferable for me to live through? @Deleted User

This presumes common ancestry groups a priori operate for the interest of common ancestry instead of other factors, such as national identity or individual preference.

dunno

With the great success of humanity i dont think our main goal is to reproduce due to the lack of dangers. Out main goal is to work and do what makes us happy.

Reducing it to evolution or biology seems very reductive, since we don't need to work that way in the modern world.

@Irish Princess that would just be covered by kin selection

Sure, but selection is geographic. It's rare in human evolutionary history that we specifically chose someone over another due to 'common ancestry' variables. It's who we're around. If we move, we select people there, regardless of ancestry.

i say we still do as people like me have to live with those whose difference negatively impact us

yeah eactly

to @Irish Princess

I hate the average person because I find them intolerable, but I do not want to reject them from existing near me. Guess it's just a difference of opinion.

thats not universally true when we look at the history of international affairs @Irish Princess

ahh random, i see youve fallen back to it

many times over that hasnt been the case where we would pick those further from us due to common interests

using precedent for most of your argument

but concerning the individual

there are those likely to simply prefer whose within their vicinity but it isnt that simple

because when given the choice to pick whose within their vicinity most pick their own race or a perceived upper class race like white

S ... Sure. I'm saying we can easily track human population variation and distribution genetically and it isn't uniform. Only very isolated places have uniform genetic distributions. This *indicates* that geography was more of a decider than, say, ancestry or preference of in-group; we tend to mate with those we live around rather than making an active decision of preference for a specific denominator.

we dont need uniformity

When it comes to something like race and iq, culture / social factors accounts for arround 80% of the problem. That means race only accounts for about 20% of the issue. Therefore i think ethnic nationalists need to look a bit more at the full picture despite them making some good points.

hey @crocodile plate wanna see my gpa

just that theyre closers to us in a way thats more comfortable to live in

We don't need homogeneity, either. You just don't like strange people.

bring on the homogenity

no i can tolerate strange people

i can tolerate Indians easily as well as those from Bangladesh @Irish Princess

What did the "paki" do to deserve death?

there are just some people who are more preferable than others

wow. youre racist

Its not about deserve. They have the ethnic markers that are inferior traits to me

....

r u 4 real rn?

?

As I said before, there's studies that showcase both increases and decreases in cohesion and trust when accounting for diversity of populations, hence why I'm iffy on this topic. Certainly Putnam's study of social hunkering is the most critical and enlightening in terms of the trust reduction, but even that was a very small effect size.

So we have to be careful when making claims.

you cant even sit beside someone?

cuz theyre paki?

So does someone more intelligent than you have the right to kill you? As they have better traits than yourself.

really?

oh god whenever someone references the Putnam study

i need to find that shitty wordpress that did a shitty review on it with BS claims

i also need to find the chinese study that replicates putnam

im too lazy

ooh ooh capitalist

Personally, it's a free country (metaphorically speaking) and I'd much prefer you be able to not associate with who you please. Voluntary association all the way.

what about disassociate?

Sure.

k

I think some of the things race realists say are based on only a small part of the picture with personal biases being the rest of the argument.

i mean theyre genetically inferior right?

@Deleted User ?

You can easily do that. The United States have communities of Jews in the middle of nowhere who follow their own laws and associate as they please without the outside bothering them.

And lmao orwell

I think it's possible.

i wouldnt say easily

I guess that means my girlfriend has the right to kill me :(

Sure, 'easily' in the sense of an international scale.

im forced by law to rent to these people

da joo

Oh, well, tough luck, I guess.

@crocodile plate <#436802232428527616>

shucks capitalist. weenie size doesnt matter

is this an asian joke?

uhh no?

whats your problem with em?

Yeh i dont think you should be forced to do something you dont want to. However in a free market you would lose your business by denying paying customers.

oh okay

lol

no you wouldnt