So the people there considered themselves Roman and held no ill will whatsoever?

And still remain Rome to this day?

People in Rome didn't necessarily consider themselves Roman

Because I thought that wasnt the case

I always saw rome like the EU headquarters

They owned a lot technically but no one fucking liked them

Chinese in America did not become naturalized until the 60s. The day prior to that, what country owned Chinatown NYC?

Only feared them

You're right they didn't necessarily like them

Thats is complete different

NYC was already america before they got they during and after naturalization

It would be more like Guam or something

Its "America" but at the same time not really

Until 1945 the Philippines was sovereign US territory. Yet people born there were not citizens of the US

Uh, people born in Guam are citizens

And Puerto Rico

And yet they arent a state

They are a territory

Rome wasn't a federation

Rome had a separate class of citizen and subject

Roman empire still ruled over everything in their empire. They had troops stationed, collected taxes and stuff from Israel. They had their own governor appointed to rule over Israel

And such dont have certain rights

Note that Paul was both a Jew and a citizen

But this has gone horribly side bar

There was still more middle east east of Israel

And even if they owned everything there would be reason to plot against rome

Seeing as they had almost literally Just been conquered before jesus was born

And then had wars after too

So I would say even Jews had a reason to plot against rome

Conquered 67 years before. That's not necessarily "just"

The Jews, most of them, did everything in their power to stop Christianity from spreading

They actually murdered "Christians"

And warred 66 years after

And never became independent again until 1948

They still were openly hostile

Uh no

Unrest is not open war

So... Jews conspired to overthrow Rome... by killing a guy, involving hundreds if not thousands of other random people... then afterwards, they try to actively stop their own conspiracy by killing it's followers?

Is that what you're claiming?

So which is your argument today? Christianity is just a really elaborate scheme invented by some Parthians or Chinese to overthrow Rome? Or it was invented by some nice guy to bring world peace? Or invented by a small group of people to control the world?

Your proof not mine

But I guess Jewish Roman Wars does sound only like unrest...

I haven't argued anything other than Christianity might not be the TRUE religion and gave theorys on how it could be possible

You are treating them like I believe them

For whatever reason

None of which happened in the lifetime of Jesus

The hostility was still there

In fact it was a generation later

There would be subversive elements everywhere to aid a conspiracy

The possibility was there

If you want to construct a better theory be my guest.

Fact is Christianity was treated as a subversive element and hunted and persecuted mercilessly and there were no shortage of people who would like to see that happen.

Which means it's far less likely to have been a world peace movement or an attempt to overthrow the Romans

Especially when it teaches the opposite of both

I have a third option. It's real.

Goal wasnt either of those things hypothetically. It was to destabilize. It wasnt meant to overthrow Rome by itself, justopen more opportunities.

But of course your stance would be provable when ever Jesus gets back. If he ever does.

And it didn't do that at all

It's also very unlikely that two million people will give their lives, and another five million put themselves in danger, to put an elaborate conspiracy by foreigners into action

They weren't just Jews, there were also Greeks, Syrians, Romans etc

Third pope, Anacletus, was a Roman, born in the capital itself

As was the fourth, Clement, and was mentioned in the NT in fact

Second pope, Linus, also mentioned by Paul, was from Volterra

Sixth pope was born in the capital

Seventh was from the capital, his family was from Greece

Eighth from Terranova da Sibari

Ninth from Athens

10 from Aquileia; 11 a Greek from Syria; 12 from Aquileia; 13 from Nicopolis; 14 from Roman Africa (not black)

Think that Christianity (Orthodoxian / Catholism ) is different from judaism

too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_God In ancient greece we had a temple for the unknown god too together with the 12. so greeks were more open to christianity when it came.

15-23 from Rome; 24 from Athens; 28 from Croatia; 37 from Portugal; 55 was of German descent

@Deleted User btw have you studied in university about theology or you just did it on your own? You remind me one of my teachers in high school on some subjects 😛

Haha all on my own dude

When I had the falling out with the Muslim chick, I turned as far away from Islam as I could. The direct opposite in every way. Who fought them in the crusades and Ottoman Wars for several centuries? Well I started to study that religion a lot, and eventually converted

I was raised Protestant, was a devout atheist in my teen years, and now I'm a dirty Catholic

That's pretty funny actually. Got converted to Christianity because of a Muslim

Bro I got completely redpilled because of one

As I told Mike earlier, I was trying to hook up with a Muslim girl who said her family wouldn't approve, so I looked into Islam at her request, read the Quran and Sunnah, and was like hooooly shit

Really it was an awakening like if you found out your dad was a serial killer

Well at least your own redpill was kinda logical 😛 I got redpilled from my commies teaching because I was interest on WW2 and mostly grand strategy games and I got into searching for how WW2 started and from that was just a snowball xD

It's always in the strangest ways

Like when I met my wife's family. Every adult male served in the PLA. Some were officers. All party members.

It was an eye opening moment to realize that the left has been putting people against people for so long, making us all out to be enemies, when in fact they are just regular guys like us

They lie to us and want us to all kill each other while they reap the rewards

Depends on the indoctrination level tbh

I've always grown up in church. Read the Bible on my own, lived in a conservative household. My wife's family is the same. They're a lot more "old fashioned boomer conservative" than mine.

One of the first things my wife asked me was where I went to church.

One would think. But over there it's not really indoctrination anymore. It's more like a union and a necessary evil. Nobody believes in that shit anymore, but if you're a party member, it opens a lot of doors and is basically impossible to get fired from a government job

This was in high school, by the way. So a 15 year old girl was asking a potential boyfriend(16 almost 17) where he went to church.

That's like a miracle these days

Yeah. None of my 3 siblings have anything similar lol

Nowadays you're less likely to get a girl if you go to church it seems

I'm the oldest.

For me... I stayed with everything because I was self taught and learned on my own. When I got to college, too many of the classes bascially made fun of my ideology (conservative Christian). So my rebellion was to get more conservative.

Plus it helped I had some friends that were pretty conservative too.

I'm in a hell of a ride 😛 Just finally my family has money to send me to my university that I passed from the final exams of my High school, but every Uni here is infested with commies.

Well when I was young 8-14 I was kinda disconnected with the world, like after I would finish with school I would just play xbox untill sleep time.

Funny though my current friends were people that I found over the internet and luckily we lived near of each other haha