And you mean to tell me you believe people back then, in far harder times, wouldnt be vulnerable to manipulation at all?

I never said they were stupid

I said they would be easier to convince

I know that they have been mostly the same. Ive been to Afghanistan and know no school doesnt make you incapable of functioning.

It does however make you much more susceptible to mob menatlity and overt tricks and manipulation

Its basically the same then as it is now except the divide between the learned elite and the masses was much larger and much more heavily enforced. The elite also had much more reason to try and get and stay on top.

Whats best is that you would post that Thor could have just been some amazing dude, but when I say the same for Jesus Im now a teenager muslim?

The argument is a fucking simple one, there can only really be 1 correct religion . That would mean EVERY religion except for one would have tricked and deceived every single follower of that religion.

And you even fucking agreed with me on that Rag

But the second I mentioned that Christianity might be a fake you flipped the fuck out with wild ad hominem attacks

Jesus has non-religious and even people hostile to his works that wrote of the stuff he did. Thor has rumors of his existence as a god with no remote evidence.

I have no doubt that Jesus was a man

But to imply that he couldn't have been a clever ruse is hypocritical especially given fhe conversation

People back then werent stupid? But they also wouldnt be able to make a religion from scratch and cement it with a clever miracle?

I didnt even look that shit up that I wrote. It was something I made as a shit post in 10 minutes of writing and thinking about it

Look up what shit?

But if muslims are saying that I'm now thinking my stupid shitpost may be true on accident

Your copypasta earlier?

Yeah

I literally made it just trying to see how I could make it work

Jesus literally could have just been an elaborate snake oil sales man with that clever resurrection bit at the end.

Except people saw him die, and then saw him alive later? So the Roman government was in on a conspiracy to fake the death of a guy to make a religion?

1 christianity wasnt a new religion or even really attempting to be at the time

2 if you read the copypasta I said jesus was twins

yeah but still

It would take minimal roman involvement

The hardest part would be swapping the twins before execution

Pontius Pilate would have to be in on it

Putting the live one in the tomb would have been effortless

so would numerous other roman officials

How many humans had to roll the stone over the tomb?

Well the 3 wise men were obviously not nobodys

"3" is just the story version for church plays

was dozens at least

To be able to just bring someone gold I would imagine you would have clout

If you know the story... "Wise men" came bringing the gifts.

3 is usually done because there were 3 gifts.

But still due to the nature of the gifts they were important people right?

The gifts symbolized gifts to royalty. Which is why they're mentioned.

The sort of people who could probably influence or maybe have been roman officials

Doesn't require you to have been a noble. Although, these guys likely had some sort of importance. They also came from "the East."

There would be a lot going on sure

It doesn't tell us where exactly. So they came from East of Israel.

But to act like politics weren't the same as today is silly

They were foreigners

Likely Indian, or "asians"

For all we know Pontius could have been the Hillary or McCain of his day

They also would've brought an entourage

Yeah that was weird when I was thinking it up

Why would 3 non fighting dudes just have gold

It wouldn't have been like Loretta meeting Bill on the plane

Sounds like they would get robbed no problem

Like the song says... "they traveled so far..."

But it wouldnt have been a really hard plan to pull off

Something like that would take lifetimes to work out lol

The only thing Im having problems thinking of is why they would do it

Just because of the shear complexity of communication

Ehh

It only really takes a couple conspirators

Letters would have to travel weeks to get around

The higher ups to bribe officials and Jesus and some people with him for the rest

You think a couple people could get this many unique and separate people from different nationalities and backgrounds to conspire and make Jesus?

Considering the alternative is Jesus did it by himself?

Yes

Im thinking it might have been a shot at the Jews honestly

They gave them their gods son to try and influence them. But it got shutdown and only latter did it run away into a religion.

Jesus didn't conspire to trick people though?

He just existed

He could have though

People would say the samething about Hillary Obama or McCain

Just think how much easier back room deals and deception would have been then. Its not like you could hack their server

Except we know they've met with others and conspired to do shit

You would need a spy

There's letters that have leaked, emails, people have come forward

Will their conspiracy ever make it into history though?

Would a conspiracy in 1 AD make it into history?

Yes it would have lol

Its not like they had freedom of press

And theirs will too

I doubt 100% a history book will ever say shit about McCain

Some college papers and stuff like that sure

But hardly knowledge that most people would see or read

It's on the news currently though?

Its not too far fetched that people from the east were trying to destabilize Rome through their bankers religion.

My mom hadnt heard one thing negative about McCain till I ranted about him the other day

Whats more is that if Jesus really was gods son the Jews literally killed their savior.

I dont think they would be that stupid

If there really was miracles being performed I dont think things would have played out that way.

Whats more is that they never really took it seriously at all

It just randomly springs into a new religion later

The Jews were that stupid though. They thought he was a fake or using sorcery. They're still looking for their Messiah.

Like Ragnarok posted earlier from Josephus

Referring to the Jews as a banker's religion is retarded. News flash, Hitler was wrong.

I hope he means the Eastern wise men, but I could be wrong. 🤷🏻

wait... maybe referring to the jews as the bankers for the eastern men... and then their religion?

Yeah I think so

Bankers in Rome

If that's the case... were they even "bankers" then? I know there were tax collector Jews...

The Jews who did everything in their power to stop Christianity which in hisboli would destabilize the empire

East religion was probably some proto islam