You could carry a freaking Desert Eagle or .44 magnum lol

>Talking about guns in a religious chat
I'm OK with this.

.44 Is big. A 357 Magnum is already too big for CWP

Haha 👍🏻

So what kind of procedures did your church put in place for anti-terrorism?

The other reason I want a Sig is because I can load Luger rounds in it and say I shot degenerates with a Luger.

Well I was not present for the meeting, but it was a lock down procedure, how to effectively contain a shooter, and where to move people in case of a shooter.

On both counts 👍🏻

Did you have military or police personnel come in?

A good portion of the Ushers are ex-police or ex-miltary

Ah ok cool.

I don’t think either of the churches I bounce between have police/military personnel or “ex” for that better.

Matter*

Well, then it falls to the congregation to arm themselves

Yep

Seen quite a few deadly GSWs from .22, .32, .38 etc

Just depends on shot placement and luck

FBI did a study, I think it was an average of four hits to kill with a pistol, caliber didn't affect it as much

Those Slimline Glocks, baby Glocks, and even the Taurus PT111

But if you go with the Taurus, make sure it's the 2nd gen, not the original

.22 has by far the lowest kill shot for self defense.

The rest of pistol calibers are relatively close together. After that it goes rifle and then shotgun.

Better than an unarmed person

We’ll definitely

Well*

But a human skull does sometimes stop a .22 rnd

Phone autocorrects to “we’ll” all the time...

I've heard of 9mm bouncing off a person's head too

That’s why you aim center mass (torso)

Plus it’s easier to hit.

Our course of fire in my state includes two head shots

In case of body armor

First shot is easy actually, the second one is harder because of the transition

Course for concealed carry?

Police academy

We don't have a concealed carry course in my state

Oh ok lol

Well that’s why you got that headshot course lol

I don't think we should mandate people get the same training but I would like to see people able to pass that basic course of fire

It's not terribly hard. 300 points total, 30 rounds. 8 pts for a hit, 10 if it's center mass body or head

Yeah. I probably could to be honest.

240/300 is all it takes

Not bad.

What’s the range? Like 20 yards?

Four rounds at 25 yards

Everything else is 15 and under

Headshots at 7 yards

Oh. That’s not bad. About what my concealed carry class was.

Four rounds at 15 yards, all the others at 7 and 3

Like eight are at 3 yards, terribly easy

Had 50 rounds in that same range round usage.

That's how Florida is, 48 rounds, but it has a couple hip shots at 1 yard

You in Florida?

Work in Florida, live in Georgia

Ah ok. Georgia has CCW doesn’t it?

Both do

And I thought Florida did too...

Ok lol

Georgia just has carry, open or concealed doesn't matter

Except if you carry on a college campus, then it's concealed only

Florida is almost always concealed, very rare to open carry

Ah. Permitted or “Constitution” is my permit? Lol

For Georgia.

Permit, it's like $80

We are fighting for constitutional carry

Ah ok

Fl requires a basic BS safety course and about $120

That’s what I’d prefer for the nation. Constitutional carry.

Georgia only does resident permits I think. Florida has nonresident

Same

In total it was $100 for mine in NC.

I started as a cop in Georgia. State law, we aren't allowed to ask someone for a permit unless it's relevant to an investigation

So if I saw someone carrying in Walmart, it's have a nice day sir

If someone shot up the place then we could ask for a permit, and charge them with the misdemeanor of unlicensed carry, which means nothing because they're already getting a shitload of other charges

Georgia also doesn't require a permit on private property or in a car

Florida is weird. Has to be in a closed container or snapped in a holster unless you have a permit. Putting your gun in a clear Ziploc bag counts as a closed container

I remember first time I saw an illegal short barreled shotgun...I was investigating a burglary where they stole like 20 guns ironically

Immediately I was like "dude that's a minimum five years in club fed, go hide that shit before someone else gets here"

Wow damn

So to carry in public in Georgia, you need a permit?

Yeah. But you can ride around in your car without a permit

And most of the time if you carry elsewhere, cops won't bother you anyway

Legally for the most part they can't bother you about it unless you're causing trouble

I used to see this guy at my last dept, old man went jogging every morning on one of the main roads, revolver on his hip

All I ask of private citizens who carry, is to please back me up if I get into something

Well that’s neat.

Y'all are the unorganized militia and we need your help to stop criminals, insurrection, and invasion

Locally I wouldn’t have to worry about most cops stopping anyone with a gun.

Well... most people anyways.

I can’t remember what you said above about weapons in church... Does you Catholic Church have armed people it want them?

Your*

Or want them*

Gah phone typing lol

The diocesan Bishop has discretion over that, and he said no, since the state law allows him to decide

I carry anyway, my priest knows it

Some of the really big churches hire extra duty cops, or security guards

Ah. Weird the bishop wouldn’t want the people protected.

Gregory John Hartmayer

He's a nice guy but he's one of those peace and love guys y'know

But on the other hand... I guess if he personally knows the congregation, it might make sense if he doesn’t think they’re ok to handle guns lol

Ah.

Nah his territory covers 84,500 Catholics, he doesn't know anyone