Niveron has a point. When you are globalist, such things become easier because you subscribe to cuck international policies
When you are nationalist, you necessarily become more concerned with yourself. Guess what Russia and China are?

Our interests are not harmed by recognizing China's legal ownership of the Diaoyu Islands

Sounds like the point you are trying to make is that the big picture doesn't apply to every little detail

this is why we have statesmen

In fact our interests are damaged by interfering in that sort of thing

You can be a good and friendly neighbor, drink together on the weekends, etc without interfering in a property boundary dispute

#notmyqueen

But yes, in a perfect world we'd respect one another and get along great, all the time. But don't project your relationships with individuals in Russia and China as the same between our governments

I get along great with Russians and Chinese. The Chinese in particular LOVE their guns around here

wonder why

Neither of those countries have violated our territory

That aside, governments behave differently

Same reason you had to clean up five seconds after you grabbed your first pair of tits

And yet China is buying up land in Africa and providing public services there, cultivating allies. They are building artificial islands in a bid to take over the shipping lanes

Hell, China is buying US land and businesses

The internet-enabled devices they make? They spy on us

Buying farmland is to produce food. They have a large population and only slightly more land than the US

Are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that this is all benevolent behavior on their part?

They have a shortage of farmers

Farm work in China doesn't pay well. A lot of them are going to school, learning skills, and moving to the city

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The government has been trying for years to incentivize farm work

KOTOR, Nibba!

Unilad is cancer

And as much as the Chinese control their economy, it's going to be difficult to convince me that the only way to feed themselves is to employ Americans to do it
If we can subsidize farming, why can't they, with their 3 billion people?

1.4 billion

Did they have another Great Leap Forward or something?

Because the socialist economy failed miserably with mass starvation, then Mao died and Deng Xiaoping opened the market gradually, to the point now where it is almost capitalist

The population has never been 3b

k well numbers
and it's a capitalistic economy with strict socialist controls

They can tell anyone to do anything

Tell as in how?

Like hey, you're not a mechanic anymore, you're a cook?

Who gave you this idea?

In any case, even if you don't want to believe that the Chinese are expanding their influence in the US, they are expanding their influence elsewhere. They have ambition, they want to be the world's pre-eminent world power. You don't do that by keeping to yourseslf. You need to have real influence. This is how you become a big boy with big swinging balls on the world state. Even Great Britain understood this for hundreds of years

In addition, if you think that humans are exempt from the laws of nature, then not much else is going to sway you

You didn't answer my question

Because communists tell people what to do when necessary. If they want people to do something, they do it

It's not the 1960s anymore

So in any case, your argument seems to be that purchase of US land by Chinese firms is completely free of Chinese government intervention

You know this how?

It is already confirmed several times over that the Chinese government sticks its claws into Chinese tech firms, encourages them to sell their tech products overseas, and then uses those products to spy on other nations

They literally steal tech secrets all the time

The question then becomes, why stop at tech

All nations spy

Absolute fact

and?

So no problem then

No, it is a problem, but it is part of the game

Even close allies spy on each other

Let's just allow other governments to expand their sphere of influence because
A) Everyone spies
B) They're not in competition with us and not trying to gain influence economically or politically

this is the argument I'm hearing so far

So why have a border?

let's just have no borders. Everything will be fine. No one is attempting to control or subvert us, right?

A is correct. B is incorrect

It's not a competition between nations, it's a competition against the facts of life

With a large population comes a need for food

Perhaps that was a bad example
Because it's not just farmland they're purchasing. They're also purchasing large swaths of land for, say, solar power stations in Nevada

If it was a competition between nations, we do not have a southern border, people walk across it all the time. If China just wanted to conquer the US, they could march the PLA right across and there is NOTHING you could do about it.

like hell they could

Nevada and the rest of the region is the best place to get solar power because of sunlight time. It's a good investment

Again, plenty of reasons for Chinese firms to invest in land and other resources in the US

It makes them rich. It provides what will eventually be a cheap source of electricity. Everyone wins.

they want to steal some US technologies

But we've already demonstrated that the Chinese government can't keep out of that - they have to gain something more from it. And they often find ways to do just that. Because national security

Unless the land and licensing goes to China to the exclusion of Americans, then I'd have a problem

Now if they subscribed to your idea of "We can all just get along," they wouldn't have to spy, they wouldn't have to do anything to us
Politics would always win and we'd frollick and roll in the meadows together

With large profits comes high taxes. And the taxes in China are astronomical.

Spying is how you gain an edge in the corporate world and technology. There is no major company in the world, and no nation with electricity, that doesn't do it

they'd have no reason to do that if they weren't competing

It's a shortcut

We keep circling around the whole "everyone spies" thing. What this tells me is that everyone is competing with one another, to "gain an edge"

Saves them money and time developing it themselves

You have conceded it

What you have not conceded: whether it is for national defense/warmaking

you content it is just for corporate purposes

The vast majority of the Chinese copies of things are sold in China, where it's cheaper than US products (partly due to taxes)

perhaps tax income

As I said, if they wanted war, the only thing we are better than them at is naval power

and we can see their doings from space

A civilian with privately owned guns is absolutely no match for the PLA. And I can tell you firsthand from my experience in the military, the US Army is a joke

What you have not addressed: A reason for China NOT to take advantage of such circumstances at our expense.
And we've already covered that they do this very thing in Tech.
So until you can demonstrate that they would never do that in any other sector, there is no definitive argument against Chinese corporate expansion into other countries having ulterior defense motives for the Chinese government

It's not really at our expense

Unless you consider something like lost sales or royalties on certain brands and tech

It's more like the 500GB hard drive I just filled with movies and TV

Again, you just don't know this.
But I do.
The Chinese government subsidizes tech firms for producing hardware in mass quantities that can be sold to world markets. And it's not because they are benevolent and just want some companies to do well. They need something out of it.

The filthy rich movie publishers aren't losing anything, just losing an opportunity to gain something

Ah yes, and then there's that
Chinese firms are also buying up Hollywood studios

No opportunity for cultural subversion there, no sir

American movies do a pretty good job of cultural subversion on their own

Do you see gays in movies? Transgenders? Unpatriotic people?

So okay. You go ahead and believe that the big boys won't find ways to subvert their economic and political adversaries, even though you concede they spy on each other

Whites as the bad guy with another race as the good guy? Americans as bad guys and foreigners as good?

If the answer to any of those is yes, then China has failed to subvert culture through Hollywood

If it were that overt it would be pretty easy to spot, don't you think? Almost no one knows what Cultural Marxism is, and it's been around since the 1950s

I know what it is, and that's purely a western thing

Yuri Bezmenov specialized in subversion with Indian culture

the Soviets literally turned them socialist

they did the same thing with Czechoslovakia, driving them to civil war

then the soviets rolled in with their tanks with the excuse of "stabilizing" the situation