y3ne I don't want to say something offensive

I say refugees should stay in the middle east for a few reasons. For starters, they created the problem and so they should deal with it. They can't run away and expect Westerns to come and fix it for them. (Unless you believe that the Jews are the ones who started it because in that case, it complicates it). As for the women and kids as you stated, they should be accepted into surrounding Arab countries (like KSA, Oman, Kuwait, and the rest of the Khaleej) because it will preserve their ethnicity and traditions without disrupting existing traditions and so on (mostly a right wing argument). Since it is an Islam-stemmed issue, then keeping the issue within the middle east hits closer to home than dragging the issue into Europe
اعتذرلك اذا قلت شي غلط. هذي بس رايتي @su

@Sn0w ❄ Who created a problem? Children, women?

In my book EU and USA going to every country in Middle East and destroying it.

All refugees must be welcome to EU

https://youtu.be/n0e5oZ2WoLA

If America is going to every country there and destroying, then America should be ready to accept all the refugees, not Europe.
And no, not the women and children. What I was saying is that the men, they should stay in the wartorn places in the middle east and fight their problem (if they're really the ones that created the problem)

@Sn0w ❄ What if they did not create any problem?

@Firefly I highly doubt that they created the problems. But then don't you think that they should go to the country that created the problem and not be displaced into Europe?

Arabs have very low IQ

they're only a bit better then Africa

I won't even bother

fucklife

**Spergs about

**Hiccup**

Islam is very bad

fucklife!

it holds back my MONEY

@Sn0w ❄ Most EU nations supported military invasions and without them USA won't be able to do anything.

iwantotdie

Nuke all non-whte countries

sell their children

@Firefly So you're saying Europe is getting what they deserve? But do you know the saying паны дерутся, а у холопов чубы трещат?

I still think America is the primary culprit in the middle east

@Sn0w ❄ Every nation and people must influence the establishment and stop destruction of other nations. People must have control over the government otherwise they're fully resposible for the actions of it.

So even now, in America, every citizen in America is responsible for whatever Trump does? And every innocent citizen in North Korea is responsible for Kim's actions?
That is a complicated matter

Yes.

Not every. Some people resist and work to change the situation.

Even if the majority don't agree with him whatsoever and the government uses force to make the citizens stay in line?

@Sn0w ❄ Yes. They did nothing to change the situation.

>the government uses force to make the citizens stay in line?

What?

I’m from Jordan

You?

Inshallah

ونعم بك. انا عماني. اقراء اللي كتبته بعد السوال

ابوي عماني. انا نص عماني

I respect your opinion whatever it is, but they’re just people. Syrians weren’t the first refugees in the world. Most refugees return to their countries after 25 years

@Firefly Like in North Korea. The people are too scared of the government at this point

@Sn0w ❄ How do you know?

@su ايه وانا م عندي مشكله معهم زي ما قلت. لكن ليه اوروبا؟ ليه مش الخليج؟

Because Europe is willing to take them?

Germany literally asked them to

Even if not willing. EU population is responsible for chaos in the region.

It must pay.

@Firefly You don't think that the citizens in North Korea are afraid of their government?

@Sn0w ❄ I don't.

@su هذا غلطه كبيره على العرب. مفروض العرب اللي يحموهم عشان احنا كلنا اخوان. لكن زي م قال الغالي فايرفلاي، اوروبا اللي سبب المشكله فخلي اوروبا اللي ياخذهم

العرب الي بتحكي عليهم بتحميهن أمريكا

I don’t think it matters who does the help, as long as it is done

Not everyone was made for war

That is right. If you don't want the war you have all rights to leave it.

All the Syrian young men you see didn’t start the war, they’re 20/17yo they were 10 when it started

But when war comes, you have to fight it. Or else who is going to fight it? No one in WWII wanted to fight it but they had to
لكن الحين، انا اقول اللي سبب المشكله، عليه يصلحه. اذا الامريكيين السبب، على الامريكيين يصلحوه

They won’t be able to

They can’t fix Iraq, Iraq’s have to eventually

Same with Libya

@Sn0w ❄ If you personally don't want to fight it you can leave. There is no obligation to participate even in defensive war.

Yeah, all the West's faults

A ship can’t sink if the water doesn’t get in (or something you get the point)

@Firefly In Islam, there is obligation to fight defensively. And those are Muslim countries

افهم، بس وش الماء؟ امريكا؟

@Sn0w ❄ That is an argument of belief .

Yes but traitors help them get the water in

Traitors from within

They have a right to not believe it.

Or flaws

@su I feel for the innocent people of Syria and Iraq just as much as you. My best friend is Iraqi and I had a lot of Syrian friends in Oman who would talk to me about it. It isn't fair but life isn't fair. So I know why you're defensive about this, especially that you're from urdun, right next to it all

I am as defensive about sub Saharan Africans or any refugees really, if people leave their homes then something must be really bad

وهذا القول بتاعك عن السفينه والماء... هذا اشلون تصلحه؟ القذافي، صدام، هذولا كانوا الحل. لكن الامريكان يعرفوا هذا الشي

@Firefly Yes. The belief aspect of it complicates it. But who is supposed to fight that war? The West will come in and make it worse like they did in Iraq

Why did people protest against Qaddafi? Why did he give them so many reasons to hate him?

I respect presidents who care more about their own country than foreign relations

It isn’t all black and white

قدافي كان كفو، زي صدام. الامريكان هم اللي طلعوا اشعات عنهم

صح لسانك

@Sn0w ❄ Nobody.

مش ابيض واسود

@Firefly They can't just give that land to ISIS and the other militant groups..

Most things that were said about Qaddafi are true, there are evidences to it

@Sn0w ❄ Why not?

Even the Libyans who support him, admit it

“He made mistakes but he was better than what we have now”

https://youtu.be/u21xMYUntdU

I have personally never met a Libyan who didn't support him and I have never met a Iraqi who didn't support 9addam

@Firefly What if they expand and take another country? Eventually they'll rape and pillage every country

What is this argument Firefly haha

@Sn0w ❄ That is right. But the fight must be willing. There must be a will to fight.

@su They were not perfect leaders, but they were far better than the Western imperialism we're dealing with today. And they would have been good solutions to it

I read a book by a former Libyan politician

He talked a lot about Qaddafi obviously

And there was indirect hatred towards Qaddafi

Like he wasn’t good enough for even his friends, so when the time came they all ditched him

@Firefly Nowadays no one has the will to fight. In WWII, what if the people ran from Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moskva? What would have happened?

He wasn’t a perfect leader and that is why he fell as hard as he did

@su Was the book in Arabic?

Yes

@Sn0w ❄ Most people willed to fight in the Great Patriotic War of USSR

It's hard for me to believe that it wasn't thoroughly inspected by the West before being published. I have heard great stories about 9addam. But these are all opinions
As you said, nothing is black and white

This man has no reason to do that imo