you know i just want one question answered really, if communism is so great, why has it never been done succesfully ? is it really such a new idea ? that everyone deserves the same ?

why has it never worked in the past

egyptians, arabians, sumerians, etc etc

none of the great empires were communist

i cant think of any communist empire pre-1800, is it really such a revolutionary idea ? or maybe it just doesnt work

>'Communist empire'

call it whatever you like, you know what i mean

communism has only caused suffering

Why paradise on Earth was never achieved you ask? In Marx's time today's productivity and tech level could be considered as communism. France and Sweden far more socialist than Stalin's USSR. You are living in it man.

lol i live near france

its not communism

also france and sweden are shitholes

they are about to go bankrupt too

Do you have free continuous education in France?

do any of you people here have a background in economy ?

Do you have less than 12 hours workday?

@Firefly They are social democracies, not Socialist

russian name is right

They are social democrats that have more socialist country than USSR 100 years ago.

i guess you call todays world a capitalist mess, or a socialist paradise depending on the argument you want to make

and when it faisl, like it is in venezuala right now

its not real communism ?

It does not depend. In Marx time something we have today would be considered paradise.

So it was achieved.

so then what are you fighting for

if this is paradise

We are going further.

you live in US ?

move to sweden

see how you like it

what is the endgoal ?

I've been to most countries in Europe.

There is no end goal. We are materialist.

huh ?

you think materialism is good ?

I think it can defeat idealism in a war.

i really want to understand communists as i am writing a book about it

wow

do you believe in God ? any of you ? @everyone

we wuz nazis n sheit

do you believe in God? what about absolute truth ? or is truth subjective in your opinion ?

am just here to learn

Truth is dialectical and objective.

what do you mean by dialectical ?

I mean the method of thinking that is capable of objectivity.

also do you believe in God or not ? would you consider most communists atheist ? it seems to me most of them are

do you think marx was a good man ?

Communist are atheist. But some have communist values and are not atheist.

I don't judge people on the basis of my moral values because I do not have any.

lol

so an atheist society with no moral values

that sounds like a good idea to you guys ?

only materialism binding them together

sounds like a nation of slaves to me 8)

Yes. Science will prevail.

why would you assume science stands apart from religion ?

the greatest thinkers believed in God

Yes

I don't care

so you goys just know better ?

The truth is objective and only one.

how can truth be objective without god ?

how is that possible ?

truth isnt objective

God=truth, the ancient religions were named after truth

satya means truth

it is the base of sanskrit the oldest language

and obviously all of these scientists' perceptions of morality have changed throughout the ages

yes and our world has gone to shit

so maybe they got subverted

why do you think that?

influenced by (((SOMEONE))))

i dont personally find religion as a pathway to morality

although i am a nationalist

there is no morality apart from religion

apart from god

man decides morality

there can be no morality without religion, no objective truth without some form of religion

why doesn't man decide god anymore then?

without this it is just a clusterfuck of opinions that dont mix well

i dont understand your question

i mean, why doesnt man choose god

i formulated it badly

i can explain this is great detail if you wish, but every man is religious deep down

@kunta kinte#9085 are you going to church?

every man has some form of religion

i'm not christian so no

@kunta kinte#9085 what are you?

i do not agree with abrahamic religions

you have... interesting conceptions

and i would like to argue with you but im a simple man

i believe what i see

and i havent seen god

and i'll leave it that

im just myself, and by thinking for a long time, my entire life, i have come to the conclusion that there must be a god