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Ford is actually correct
Seems like too much of debate gets the channel wiped...
Hahaha about what?
The whole server is being wiped
I like to call that the wave
I stand corrected.
Are you serious?
N word counter reset to zero
Let's see how fast gets to 6 million again
Were you half way through writing something Jer?
How many ovens do we have this time?
yo
what happened
14 currently operational 88 under construction
Server wipe
why'd they achieve it
They do every month
Where is #palestra-debates?
ah
gone
^
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They are wiping it
It will be back shortly
first "Nigger" of the month
Already beat you
It isn't a full N word
So maybe you do deserve some credit
Corona was created in a lab as chink population control
Was going to... But halfway got released
I hope it is a racist virus, otherwise...
@Monstrous Moonshine Yes, Conservatism and the Old Right are collectivist. This is why there are varying motives in the Right for border control. This is why I don't accept the label Right Wing but libertarian. I'd take a weed smoking gay leftist who is for open borders over a Nationalist any day.
Amazin'
Oh my God when I said if you ride with Thermo you ride with socialism I wasn't even wrong
Please stop making my parody real
Thermonuclear is like a bad parody of Libertarianism
*Consistent advocate of liberty
I think he is taking principles to the 'extremes'
"Nations are illegitimate but Megacorporation's aren't!!"
Its why Jer called him controlled OP
He's a personification troll, yeah.
Read his above post imao
I read it.
I'm surely a "controlled OP" in a irl chat server of a Socially Liberal Youtuber Sargon of Akkad. LMAO.
I joined here a few weeks ago just to have discussions
Then stop being a hyperactive sperg and have a real nuanced conversation
Sounds like you're upset over the fact he's a Classical Liberal.
How Libertarian of you.
All I have got so far are ad homs thrown at me for advocating for a principled position of libertarianism
@Jeremy He isn't a Classical Liberal, but a weird mix of Social Liberal and Nationalist
>Nationalist
>Sargon
wew lad
He is a Classical Liberal, and he's dedicated hours to demonstrating his philosophical understanding of it, @Thermonuclear.
Sargon wasn't always a classical liberal but I'd say he is now
And yes he is also a nationalist
No. Classical Liberals are Fiscal Conservative and Socially Liberal. Sargon has said he is Fiscally Liberal as well.
very, very weak nationalist
I love my country as well, @Samaritanā¢.
He also argued for porn ban recently
epic
He didn't argue for porn ban
sad
Sargon was socially liberal but he has moved along the line by now
Gotta doubt that chief
@Ethreen42 By your standards weakly but not by everyone elses
In any case, Sargon is certainly not a Classical Liberal by the standard definition
My standard just weather he is more or less in one direction rather than if he is firmly in one direction
Not that I'm saying his position isn't firm just that it isn't hard on one side
He has exclusively identified himself with Classical Liberalism, @Thermonuclear.
Sargon spends a lot of time coddling with the far right and crying about Muslims ruining his country
@Jeremy He can call himself a unicorn, doesn't mean he is
Okay calling it now
my standards are normal standards, nationalism has a ethnic and cultural element, Sargon has stated that he isn't a Ethnonat and is at best a "cultural Nationalist",more accurately known as a Patriot, not a Nationalist. @Samaritanā¢
Thermo is a leftist pretending to be right wing
probably
actually no I take that back
Imagine calling a principled Libertarian as a leftist
The normal standard isn't ethnonationalism, I understand your position though
The absolute state of "freedom lovers"
He's more likely a fascist pretending to be a libertarian to discredit Classical Liberals.
> Imagine calling a principled Libertarian as a leftist
POE
So I went from a controlled OP, to a socialist, to a leftist, to now a Fascist
Controlled OP leftist
Yes, you're still controlled OP.
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Thank you for your big brain take statist
My pleasure.
Jer has a point in that leftists wouldn't understand lib position enough to larp them
They never did, @Samaritanā¢. <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>
You have yet to address any of my arguments. So far there has only been mud slinging and conspiritard accusations. Next you'd be calling me a Russian bot.
No, you haven't indicated any characteristics of such.
The leftist sympathies could be indicative of trying to discredit classlib
I'd get hard if that was true
I haven't seen any Cyrillic slip-ups from you, yet.
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Means we're a threat, I like that feeling
@MalinaKlaar Russian agent represent
Uncouth
@Samaritanā¢ I make alliance with whoever I see advocating for more individualism. Leftists advocate for social freedom while some on the Right advocate for economic freedom.
Is @Thermonuclear one of your operatives?
Some of the right
He's saying we aren't because we aren't for abolishing the United States
Where did diabeetus chat go <:sadgon:544640228166598657>
Thermonuclear be like "mmmm yes big daddy Corporation please rape me harder"
It'll be back in a few hours... probably
My entertainment is gone
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined @į į¢įįįįįį£į³įØįæį³įį±
I'm adding a bunch of pictures as updates..
For instance, Trump advocates for tariffs and Tucker Carlson is also more of a Nationalist protectionist on economy. Not to mention that the Right was (and still is on some of these issues) against race mixing, homosexuality, transgenderism, legalization of hard drugs, sexual liberation, porn etc.
Tucker Carlson 2024 lets go bois
Tucker Carlson 2024 Build a Wall and make the Hispanics and Pajeets pay for it
The libertarian position would be legalization of all these, which the left has historically fought for. I see no reason not to align with well meaning leftists over statist Nationalists.
> well meaning leftists
doubt
```Interwoven as is the love of liberty with every ligament of your hearts, no recommendation of mine is necessary to fortify or confirm the attachment.
The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.```
```For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.```
I'll add the satellite update later... Can't be bothered to edit them all too..
I find common ground with whoever I can, regardless of partisan politics
Thomas Jefferson signed a law punishing homosexuality by castration. The left fought for legalization of homosexuality. This is another example of the fallacy of revering the founders as messiah. Why should I not align with leftists who are for individual liberties?
@MalinaKlaar Aw cute dogo
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Y'all gonna post news stuff too, at least remember people come here principally to read new stuff.
> Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half diameter at the least.
-Thomas Jefferson
@Samaritanā¢
"Thomas Jefferson signed a law punishing homosexuality by castration" he did, the founders also did a lot of other epic things like excluding non-white migrants and establishing a White America Policy, for a lack of a better term
You can look it up, I'm not exaggerating
I know he is a leftist plant because he thinks Sargon is alt right
I never said Sargon is alt right
Learn to read
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He just coddles with them and gives them a platform
ok and?
WAIT
When does the right EVER talk about platforming
He platforms people who don't like that 19,000 white english girls were raped by Muslims, the horror!!
Come on this is so obvious
He's a leftist for sure
^ this tbh
>reducing everything as left or right
This is your brain on partisan politics instead of principled politics
"gives them a platform" isn't a phrase anyone to the right of Sargon can use without cringing
A right winger would never talk about it being bad to platform someone esp not ancap spergs
I cheer when White Nationalists, Fascists and Communists get deplatformed by private corporations
It just isn't how anyone other than a progressive thinks
You don't have a right to their platform, they are a private company
How is this not a fucking parody
yet another example of a ancap begging so hard to be ass raped by big corp
You cannot be a real persono
Govt. is not restricting your speech when Twitter bans you
Thermonuclear you dont have the right to clean water, the Water companies are private companies
What if a corp has more power than a gov?
If they do the exact same thing tell me how that isn't equally bad
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```The primary objective of Bill 64 is indicated in its title, a Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments in Cases Heretofore Capital, and then stated specifically in Section 1 that capital punishment, "...should be the last melancholy resource against those whose existence has become inconsistent with the safety of their fellow citizens" and "...no crime shall be henceforth punished by deprivation of life or limb except those hereinafter ordained to be so punished."2 With these directives included in the introduction, the bill aimed at curtailing the widespread and indiscriminate use of capital punishment, which had been common under colonial law, while insuring a more uniform dispensation of justice throughout the commonwealth.```
https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/bill-64
@Ethreen42 The difference is of consent. You can choose to not do business with the company. You cannot choose your govt. in any practical manner.
Castration was a big improvement from capital punishment.
I don't consent to being de platformed
what if there's a monopoly, or a cartel?
>ancap talking about consent
this is too good
Can people below the age of 18 consent @Thermonuclear
?
@Samaritanā¢ Consent is about something to which you have rights. You don't have a right to someone else's private property in the first place.
Imagine thinking you have a right to others' private property and then calling me a leftist instead
did he just dodge that question? at least stand for your positions...
Is it possible for someone under 18 to consent though? @Thermonuclear
@Greasy >What is there is a monopoly?
I don't see a problem in that
They are having trouble 'bleaching' BKP content from #palaestra_debates
See he is totally a leftist
Real ancaps say that there wouldn't be a monopoly without state intervention
He's definitely trying to discredit the banner he flies under.
Lol.
I'm not an ancap and I know that
Well if you're saying Twitter and co are just private corps and not public platforms they should be regulated to uphold the American constitution, since they actively censor and stop information they dont like from reaching Billions of people
@Samaritanā¢ Leftists have a problem with monopoly. They want to use the state to break them. Libertarians don't care about monopolies, they are a result of the efficiency of the rational actor.
The fact that he won't say no to can kids consent disturbs me
>monopolies
>efficiency
lmao
Libertarians think monopolies are only formed because of state intervention
@Jeremy So far I have only received bad faith ramblings and ad homs, not a single response to any of my arguments
Thus it cannot be a monopoly, because they are simply more efficient. The use of force is required to prevent market entry, @Thermonuclear.
@Samaritanā¢ No, that is a cucked position. The true position is that it is irrelevant whether monopolies are formed or not.
He's not a real Libertarian.
You are a leftists caricature of what a libertarian is
McDonald's having a monopoly because of their caliber is not something that should be punished
That's not a monopoly.
You are advocating for punishing success and have the gall to call me a leftist
Neither is Walmart.
Nor is Amazon.
still dodging the consent question <:thinking_clown:590855640268668928>
>Well if you're saying Twitter and co are just private corps and not public platforms they should be regulated to uphold the American constitution, since they actively censor and stop information they dont like from reaching Billions of people
@Ethreen42 I'm against regulations.
Why can't he just say no kids can't consent
McDonalds should be regulated, they actively promote fat diets to billions of people that lead to a unhealthy and degenerate society
Now, I will say, price floors on labor benefit firms of economic scale, yes.
That prevents small businesses from competing against them.
No one is forcing you to use Twitter
Multiple corporations collectivizing in lockstep to act as monopoly even though they aren't one is however a problem
Use something else. The Free Market has spoken by removing White Nationalist filth like you from their platforms @Ethreen42
Its the free market when leftists ban me from Facebook
thats not the point, the point is that Twitter and Facebook influence billions of people and them actively censoring people is bad for freedom of speech
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bro he called me a White nat, I just got btfo'd
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@Samaritanā¢ Create your own company and ban the leftists then. Or are you afraid of picking yourself up from the bootstraps?
>Unironically using the phrase " picking yourself up from the bootstraps"
100% a troll
You can't say anything that isn't a prefab slogan
>more ad hom
If you aren't a leftist you're the fakest motherfucker I've ever een
As I expected from a White Nationalist idiot
Ideally, you'd not segregate in such a manner, @Thermonuclear, as it'll result in only further polarization.
>calling someone an idiot
>is an Ancap
bold words
he follows ad hominem accusation with an ad hominem attack
@Ethreen42 >thats not the point, the point is that Twitter and Facebook influence billions of people and them actively censoring people is bad for freedom of speech
Yes I agree. That doesn't violate the NAP though. The people have personal agency to not be influenced.
I would ban you from my private server
I dont really care if it violates muh NAP
You are advocating to relocate the personal agency to the govt.
I am advocating for a freer society by breaking up totalitarian companies
I'm advocating for neither.
Translation: I'm advocating for a "freer society" by punishing Capitalist companies who became successful through moral means
yes
If Google attempts to influence the 2020 election they should be broken up
^
@Samaritanā¢ It didn't take long for me to expose your statism
Nigger
muh statism
I am openly a statist
^
I think most people have a trouble imagining what 'non-crony-capitalism' looks like
I don't burn my nations flag
Funny that you were harping about the wonders of freedom just before I joined
What a crime
As I said, it is always the case with phonies
You're projecting
Leftist scum
You're a socialist
Get in
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