every single policy idea they have is based upon systemic inequality now

no principles at all other than "fairness"

see, I don't agree with the white nationalist view that civilisation is an outcome of group genetics I think circumstance and coincidences can have extremely massive effects on the outcome of a given civilisation and I would take north korea and south korea as examlles. Are they really so different genetically?

they might be more different than most of us would assume

It must also be understood that with the collapse of Equality, all the -isms, -phobes and -ions such as racism,sexism,ableism,homophobe,transphobe,xenophobe,discrimination,segregation lose their negative moral value and become at a minimum neutral.

but we don't know, because there's really no nork dna data available

and that is why multiculturalism is good political business @Chawosaurian

I strongly doubt the division of north and south korea could be traced to genetics

they have nothing else to offer humanity. they'd be rendered into less useful in a heterogeneous society

Multiculturalism follows Democracy, and Democracy follows Equality

this was what, 5000 years ago? nothing has changed

@Chawosaurian I think you could argue that in an unequal society its still improper to be hateful towards others. If you see someone in a wheelchair and you knock them over you're still an asshole even if we agree that being in a wheelchair is not prefarable.

he nailed it 5000 years ago

damn

nothing to improve upon

@Boniface The lack of equality and the collapse of all the -isms and -phobes does not mean aggression becomes neutral or positive as well.

aristotle, being a bedrock thinker of western civ, we;ve known this for 5 millenia

but all of a sudden, something changed in our western thinking ✡️

Aggression has nothing to do with Equality, and its an Equalitarian myth that without all being considered equal, those on the lower end suddenly become justified targets of aggression.

I don't see how the isms would collapse though. If someone yells they hate nibbas and shoots up a black church ppl will ssy thats racist even if they accept ppl are not equal

They collapse in that its not a negative moral thing any longer.

our great grandfathers understood what aristotle was saying. the most uneducated peasant understood too. now we have men in dresses telling us "lol, no!"

And again, conflating no equality with aggression.

Equality is not what deters aggression or makes it have a negative moral value.

yeah but I don't think ppl consider hatred of others to be bad just because we are equal

It would be neutral.

Just as hating certain food is neutral.

why

Because it becomes a preference.

And nothing more

I think most of the time if someone gets called out for racism its for acting on it

its not just a private thought

What action

Under Equality the private thoughts are also morally negative.

lets say you're a landlord and you decide to kick all your black tenants out, because its your preference

But yes what action exactly.

ppl will still say thats racist

And without Equality, doesn't matter

Would people even care at that point

because it has nothing to do with equality

its about tolerance of difference

you are supposted to tolerate the less fortunate

If population groups aren't equal, it is no different to treating people with different incomes differently.

Supposed to why

if you're a shop owner and someone with a wheel chair comes in to buy food

and you kick them out for being inferior

ppl are not going to like that

like =/= morally negative

I don't like vegans, so they must be doing morally negative things

I dont like pinapple pizza, or a pizza parlor selling pineapple pizza, or a pizza parlor refusing to serve pineapple pizza, so these are all morally negative because I dont like what they are doing

Without equality that is not enough, if they are not equal than treating them differently because a non-issue

the point is that they are still going to use 'ists'

Just like religious boys still use "heretic", it has no power it has collapsed due to secularism taking over.

if you kick all vegan out of your store they will say youre veganophobe or something

Nobody will care

Just like nobody cares about "heretics"

You may be a heretic according to the definition, but people ascribe no negative moral value to these

the religion is not the idea that everyone should be treated equal because they sre equal

That is the Equality Doctrine

the religion here is that ppl should be treaded nicely even if they are different

We prefer it

But you are not evil if you do not

If I tell you, "we should treat everyone equally even if they have a physical disability" and you say "people don't have equal physical capabilities" that doesn't counter the original point

I can disregard the point. It has no power

We should treat them equally because.... treating them nice is nice? We prefer that you treat them nice but its not evil to do otherwise

Here's the thing, if Equality is the natural order of things, if Equality is the natural order. Than to treat people differently it in essence increases the deviation from that natural order of equality, but if the natural order does not have equality in it, it makes no difference.

Why do we have a problem with degenerates but that they are or cause deviations from the natural order? And we have our particular values that we ascribe to the Natural order, and if you deviate from that than you deviate from the Natural Order.

having to treat "others who are different" is a burden imposed onto us really against our will, and against our interests

The final key is this: without Equality, Property Rights become unchallengeable.

You can't challenge the fact that I have a right to my property, we are not Equal so there isn't any "but your property makes you more unequal vis a vis the Equalitarian natural order so we gotta cut it back to make you end closer to it"

And with that you get another part of the final key: If the store owner kicks vegans or blacks or whoever, he has a RIGHT to it because entailed within Property Rights is the right to decide who is given permission to enter your property, and who is not.

Right now your property rights end, where the Equality natural order begins

An application of this is that if you want your ethnostate, just buy up huge stretches of territory and make them white only, or black only, or whatever ethno is supposed to occupy the land, and nobody will be able to put a moral challenge to you. There is no need for aggression, you can just buy out the others in the way and kick them out. In essence once you get ownership of the land automatically get the right to kick out whoever you wish. As long as you own the property

@Chawosaurian I don't agree that legality is the same as morality. I don't think having the legal right to kick blacks off your property means no one will be able to put a moral challenge to you.

Nothing to do with laws <:Laff:591865738739056652>

Well, you are talking about property rights

Maybe more complete Natural Property Rights

I don't think your property rights being respected stops people from morally challenging you.

Some people might think eating pizza with pineapple is morally wrong

And they will challenge you for it.

Ye

People do stupid pointless things all the time

Yeah, and its the same thing with calling people racist, some people won't like you kicking black people out even if they agree black people are different.

The pineapple pizza eater can easily crush any moral challenge, just as the property owner who decides who can enter his property will be able to beat them in a non-Equalitarian world

ok so win your arguments through physical force?

No not literally crush <:Laff:591865738739056652>

lol

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The only force involved is kicking anyone not leaving your property when you explicitly order them to

Like, lets put it this way. I agree that some people who push multiculturalism think every race is equal, but I don't think that's the only point they stand on. I think its like 1/10th of the reason why they want multiculturalism so I don't buy that removing this 1/10th will convert them, do you see what I mean?

I'd say 2/10 is moral and the other 8/10 is stupid stuff,so knock 1 out we have less than half of their moral power left

The other 1/10 is "but we need to help these poooooor people"

lol

8/10 is like: But muh ethnic food, but I need house cleaners, but I like their music, but I wanna see different cultures, it makes it easier to learn other languages, they make jerbs and GDP n shiet etc

If you dont want that you're not EVIL

Herm wouldnt treating people even if they are different include just letting foreigners flood in

so if a refugee who hasn't had sex in 5 months and is having a sexual emergency knocks at your bedroom door you won't let them in??! You're evil!! <:steflol:561214382181318656>

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That is 1/10