same here

@Joembin I think it’s more beneficial to describe position on particular topics.

true true

I’m ok with National parks. The intent is to set aside the land for no economic development.

i can take your guess on your views on PC

Better than mac

You can't change my mind on that

Pc = political corectness

Lol. PCs are better. More versatile.

man i shouldve specified form the getgo

lol

lol nah. I knew what you were talking about

okayg good

Political correctness is for faggots.

was a bit worried

I'd rather have PC than live PC

I posted my views in <#266396659062145025>

UwU

now here's a question for ya'll

I might have an answer

whats your views on Free Market Economy?

The best. I'm not a laissez-faire capitalist but the free market is the most effective

i like it for one reason: you can sell to whoever the hell you want to

Yes. Free market the most effective. Protect against monopolies. That’s it.

We need it

like for real we need it bad

T-ruth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehPkrlxF6B0

what my demons play during sleep paralysis

Hm. I was wondering what madness sounds like

Dude sleep paralysis is wack

@Deleted User https://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/pdf/t4p01p1.pdf
https://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/pdf/t1p01p1.pdf

That data is both the annual import/export of coal as well as annual production.

Sup mates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RsTDpNMFwY

Listening to this gives me a trombonner.

@Agent Smith why is Melbourne so full of hipsters mate

all the coffee houses, I guess

Do the coffee houses attract them here, or do they come here and set up coffee houses?

🤔

The Greeks and Italians set them up and attract them here

Bloody wogs

they do make the best coffee - that's why Starbucks can't compete here

A lot of these things are self-fulfilling prophecies. People migrate to an area and fill a personal need to appease other locals who are like them which in turn invites others to the locale. Then in turn, chains and competitors create more coffee houses and what-not.

Gotta get them vape shops

@Agent Smith fair enough... I haven’t been to any coffee shops though

I’m one of those who live and die on instant coffee

Another salty lefty:

>>I doubt anyone has actually gotten sick from coal ash ponds.<<
Wow, you are ignorant. Coal plants in Montana have been successfully sued for contaminating local drinking water with mercury from their ash piles. "successfully sued" means it was proven in a court of law "beyond a reasonable doubt". Know what mercury poisoning does to adults, growing children, and pregnant mothers? You should.
>>Your just pissed that you don’t have a friend in office giving you hand outs and favors.<<
Seriously. Trump's admin has given new lice nse to corrupt cronyism. Levels I've never seen before in the USA. Are you blind?
Federal government needs to lead with clear policies encouraging transition to cleaner, lower-cost electricity. It should not be propping up losers. You have complained about the government "picking winners", but you have nothing bad to say about "picking losers"? Nuts to you.

I dunno who came out with it first

@SteelandSouls @Salacious Swanky Cat manhood ritual power hour? Or are y'all busy?

Yeah. I'm at a good stopping point in what I'm doing

Where did we leave off last? You remember?

Was about to ask lol

I think it was basically about the intended effect

Sounds about right

And to clarify when I said what problems are we trying to address, I dont necessarily mean we're doing it to contradict the social narrative. My point was more so that we've demolished some social institutions overall. I see this as one of the steps to replacing what we had before, so then the question should be "what is the purpose of the social institutionalizing of manhood?"

So a mission statement is what you're asking for?

And the generic answer is "to make sure men are good, productive members of society. The question we have to answer is- what does that look like in a modern context

I suppose you could say that

I did say that, I want to know if you'd say that.

I would just think of it as clarifying the objective, really

But leftism is a religion

Social rituals are there to prepare people for the larger social order, which leads us to a sort of chicken and egg, where the social order has collapsed but so have the rituals, so which got fucked first?

Probably the social order collapsed first from my guess since rituals are often a substructure of it

It is a chicken and egg situation though since rituals are often what builds social structures

Well if you stop maintaining something it falls apart too

And those rituals are maintenance as well as the foundation really

@Deleted User I agree, and there are also "victim" cults

So let's say the objective is to build men that are decisive, strong, objective, and just

So I dont think answering the chicken and egg issue is wholly necessary, but it's important to think of the two as tied

you're right

I'm trying to think of the terms you used last time, because they were good solid foundational terms

I just think there should be a perception of a general endpoint

The sort of societal ubermensch at the core of this system we're building

Would ask what men are specifically lacking right now, besides the obvious purpose (and I don't know that an easy purpose is applicable in this economy tbh)

Like I said earlier, I believe that religion can provide that sense of purpose.

For spectators like myself, what are you guys saying that is the issue in order for there need to be change?

eg why do you think men are lacking?

Peterson kind of brings up a similar point where finding an end game for men is a lot more difficult than it is for women

I don't think you're going to convert everyone to a singular religion, or set of compatible religions

I get that, but it helps provide a foundational basis for a purpose.

I've honestly never been religious, and I know a number of people who dropped out or never cared about religion

Sure, but I think the solution there is to find a layer of purpose beneath that, on a social level

Ok.

We've opened the box and I don't think we're going to be stuffing everyone back into it

But we also need to be careful not to make the state an idol

Which is where Nietzsche stepped in initially

So then it would need to be community

I haven’t read Nietzsche, so I’m not aware of what he’s said. It may be just as effective to encourage people to live as if they believe in God.

At least to establish purpose.

Growing boys into men is a different matter. Sort of.

Peterson uses a sort of Christian Nietzsche spinoff to sell his message, and that mix I think is why he has such wide reach. Nietzsche promoted the pursuit of the divine spark of man itself, in a world where science and skepticism have "killed" God

So...what if we romanticize our objective then?

I think thats sort of how you have to deliver it, but there has to be a package at the end of the journey

What if instead of fulfilling hard-written goals, we make it more of a Hero's Journey each person needs to fulfill?

It used to be that you worked hard, owned a house, got a family

Then we sort of devise an elective system that is appropriate for the person on their journey

It all starts with an end-game of what is the kind of man they want to be when they grow up?

I think that's a better way of wording the sort of thing I was trying to get at last time, with "many paths"

I think we may have to "teach" adaptability though