Fucking kill me

My country had become incestuous

>Capitalism

Kys Jew

sven may be a drooling libertarian monky however i doubt that he is jewish

I am not some fucking jew

We should just wipe that shit spot Israel and Palestine off the fucking map

Palestine doesn't deserve it

Israel fucked up its chance

We should move the Vatican to Jerusalem

@Sven Brender and the antichrist will make his throne in the third temple of jerusalem

Lol

@Veritas chr*stian

??

@Riley explain yourself

@Veritas cool

Honestly I'm down

fuck Christians

and their lies

@Veritas

there did it

@Riley well fuck you too

Christians are low IQ

no u

superstitious

also

you do realise a lot of early scientists were christian

No shit

charles darwin

Christians mostly stay Christian because their parents condition them into it and they never ever question it

isaac newton

Charles Darwin was not a Christian

JUST
BECAUSE
A PERSON
THAT WAS INTELLIGENT
WAS CHRISTIAN
THAT DOESN'T MEAN
THAT CHRISTIANITY IS LOGICAL

@Riley he was though

Just because a person that was intelligent was Christian, that doesn't mean that Christianity is logical

he called himself an agnostic

or at least a theist

@Sven Brender exactly

idk why Christians play this game

It's so fucking illogical to assume that

It really disproves their own point

darwin was christian though

a quote from him talking about how he used to get to church

i am not christian but they did contribute to the preservation of knowledge through monks etc

thats not to discount the retarded shit they have done ofc

from what i know most Christians are of average intelligence with the exception of Episcopalians which are even smarter than jews and atheists

@Veritas How does that prove that Christianity is logical? It's appealing to authority. Today you'd be able to say the opposite by listing off the vast amount of scientists and what not who are Atheists, yet that too would be irrelevant to whether Atheism is logical.

If you want to find out if Christianity is logical or not, you have to make your case directly, not indirectly

Like for example; Christianity is not based in fact beyond the historical evidence of people claiming that it is true. Today Christians are proud to admit that their belief in Christianity is based on faith itself, and not from looking at the evident reality of the world and from that make a conclusion on the world. For example the moral teachings are said to be based on God who created nature, yet we do not have evidence that anything exists above nature, and the morality that is taught goes against human nature (like forgiving and not seeking revenge), who are supposed to be Gods creations. These natural morals are also not even consistent between groups of people, so why should a universal set of morals that is not based in human morality be right for humans?

is their an empirical argument for Christianity?
tbh ive never even heard a logical one nvm empirical

because human morals are corrupt

@Deleted User

what would be a better set of instructions for humanity

teaching people to be kind and forgiving to one another for their mistakes

or getting revenge or lashing out at small mistakes or injustices

it is human nature to lash out

but that lashing out always causes more harm than not

whereas forgiveness causes the least harm and eventually leads to it ceasing

a historical analogue would be anglo saxon blood fueds

what makes these morals corrupt? Because God says so? You’ll have to prove his authority and existance for that to be the case. The truth is, if evidence is to be believed, that these behavious have through natural selection evolved in humans, as they made our ancestors more likely to survive and reproduce. The entire function of humans, or any organism, is in fact to survive so that you can reproduce. Even the mind we use to question our functions to do so exists for the purpose of meeting those ends. Why would it be better to go against them?

natural selection is broken in the human world

human morals are greedy and self centred

our ancestors had limited resources

whoever had more stuff was more likely to survive

in the modern world we dont need that

those corrupt morals of our ancestors caused more suffering than ever

they will only serve to kill millions in the modern world

not million

billions

while greed and self-centredness are human morals, i disagree that they are dominant. They may be in some people groups, but the majority of the native europeans are very alturistic as shown by behavioural studies and the evident fact that we all have high-trust societies. But should we humans right ourselves to fit into the modern world, or should the modern world compliment humans? Which is more just, healthier, and will make humans better at surviving and reproducing?

the only natural laws are order, hierarchy, power
our morals should uphold these things tbh not some meek notion of holiness or forgiveness

@Deleted User christian morals do follow order and heirarchy

christian morals are dependent on the christian faith

yes, it is based on faith and not truth.

to me and other christians that faith is truth

to a point but taken to its conclusion it will lead to a violation of natural law through its institutional corruption and universalism

natural law is flawed

natural law is anarchistic

falsehood

all other law is based on natural law

so it is also flawed

by inhertance

Also, Christianity does not have a natural hierarchy. All Christians are taught that people should be the same forgiving and repenting people, which does not promote the strong to dominate and lead the weak

just to overthrow yourself

nature is extremely hierarchal and ordered

@Deleted User as i said

christian morals are dependent on christian faith

therefore those who follow christian morals have order and heirarchy

the heirarchy is more simple aswell

with piety replacing power

that would only be true if Christian faith is order and hierarchy,which is why i explained that it isn’t

how does turning the other cheek embody hierarchy and order?

christian faith is though

its the belief that god is above everything

and if you follow the laws of god

you are above those who dont

false hierarchy then

manufactured

as Christianity teaches that god gave us the earth to rule over and to take care of