@ManAnimal again, if that were the case, it'd be observed in other stars

Wait you mean the changes in sunspot activity occuring every 11 years on avg?

huh? i am talking about the moon

the sun

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment. In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.

and no, you couldn't observe sun spots on other stars

`theory is that the sun goes through periods of extreme activity`

stars dont do this

yes, pay attention please

Uhhhh how extreme were talking

enough to melt moon bits apparently

how long have we been studying solar activity?

fucking Xtreme my dude

Also don't let him know about CMEs

how old is the sun?

@ManAnimal and how many different stars can we see at a time?

you cannot see sunspot activity on a star other than our own

that's not technically true

that is like studying a flea on a dogs back across the room

you really think that life can evolve in such a short period during the suns "active period" if they even exist

We see variable stars a lot

But those are high variations

Like

yup

also what does glass have to do with anything?

If The Sun was like that the solar system would be sterile... Probably

@Dark Magician regolith turns to glass when molten

that is assuming that such solar cycle actually sterilzes the entire planet

We're going to collapse due to a Carrington event-type shit

if it's enough to turn the moon molten

rather than upsetting the 3/4 of the planet that is ocean

Sooner than anything

then yes, it'd sterilize everything

I mean we don't even know if we have a moon

i can see this room in incapable of entertaining a proto-argument

there's debate on whether or not "the moon" is actually a moon

Nah it's a neat idea actually

@ManAnimal Mercury currently does not have a glass surface

But it would be quite clear from geological strata I'm not sure it is

we have between 0 and 18,000 moons.

to assume that the sun is either always stable or it sterilizes everything is beyond retarded

dawg

lol

i never said 'a glass surface'

Buuuuut yeah there those proposed cycles of the sun

ofc not a glass surface by now if it happened in the past

i said 'evidence that something turned a large part of the moon to glass in recent geological history'

That go on for thousands of years

yes

again

MA

thousands

you do realize

that half the moon

was molten

so how is this evidence of mass extinction on the moon

for a period of time?

that is on the order of billions of yrs ago

Also there was a neat theory that Venus erupts every 10k years

and that was unrelated to the sun

not a couple thousand

there's not even evidence of life so how is their evidence of extinction

I mean its surface

svar, interesting

a couple thousand?

again

that'd exterminate life on Earth

and destroy the entire ecology

their evidence suggested the moon event was also 10k yrs ago

so venus

unless it was extremely brief

and the moon

and I do mean *extremely*

curious

so you're seriously suggesting there was life on the moon 10,000 years ago

no

are you retarded? of course not

he's suggesting something that just seems so incredibly unnatural and unlikely

no, only suggesting that there is evideence to suggest some type of a cyclic earth change

a massive burst of the Sun's power for a relatively, extremely short period of time

which is a function of the sun

you'd need to at least outline a mechanism for the Sun to even store such an amount of energy in a way to be so readily released in a short burst

what?!

they are called CME

they happen all the time

...sunspots?

I was under the assumption that the sun has a relatively stable fusion rate

it does

had the one in 2017 hit earth rather than been in the opposite direction, we'd be in the stone age

no

these are relatively frequent solar events; we are in a shooting gallery after all

```The largest recorded geomagnetic perturbation, resulting presumably from a CME hitting the Earth's magnetosphere, was the solar storm of 1859 (the Carrington Event), which took down parts of the recently created US telegraph network, starting fires and shocking some telegraph operators.```

the odds are just so low that one will happen to be directed at earth

it already did

I mean it wouldn't be the stone age it'd be like 17th century Europe

largest RECORDED

and we'd quickly rebuild

gee. how long have they been recording such things relative to the life of the SUN?

also

not only are we a needle to be shot at from by miles away

we also have a magnetic field

there'd be bread lines and a year or so without electricity

not the stone age

massive electronic disruption is the worst case scenario

you cannot possibly thing that even the entirety of human history is anything but an insignifigant blimp when compared to the life-cycle of the sun

It’d be a big fucking deal but not apocalypse level bad

*blip

Well other then the looting

I don't see how it would be any different from ww2

as if our data is anything more than a few hundred years old at best

*blimps* on the other hand are huge

😄

and the sun isn't 4billion yrs old

in terms of bread lines and lack of electricity

while we build our countries again

MA bringing universe time cycle...And I just evolved to Red dwarf

big difference is number of people

well ofc

in 1914, 4 yrs prior to wwI, there were only 2 billion

the right wing death squads will start up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection#Impact_on_Earth

about 3 billion during wwii

probably a good thing

How old are you MA?

8 billion would be another matter

yes, CME

"old enough" is acceptable

now, the Carringtion Event from 1889 would cause serious damage today

@ManAnimal read the section linked

"Impact on Earth"

from a social darwinist perspective the power going out would be great

fuck off the diabetics

Ma was there during carrington event

That’s old old

that isnt social darwinism dawg

we know the sun goes through certain cycles but we lack the data to understand if there aren't larger cycles, say every 10k or 100k yrs

they also aren't that extreme

fascist state when?

we have a handful of datapoints at best when it comes to understanding something with a life cycle of 8 billion yrs

depends on hydrogen depletions, which are not measured down to our degree of time, save for billions

+/-

it's pretty arrogant to think that just cause things have been calm for 2k/4bil, things will always be calm

exactly

too many variables at the moment, we have around months predictions then- woooop: thousands++++ years

can't get them to acknowledge that; they see a handful of datapoints and think they cannot possibly be looking at a miniscule piece of a much larger picture

@Coolitic do you know they have recently been able to predict earthquakes from examining solar activity?

why?

YEah I know this

well, it is good to predict earthquakes; that is why

how is another question

I'm interested in the mechanism

not that it happened or not

well the moon already is a variable

the point is that the sun effects the earth in a way that is connected to earthquakes

?

so if the sun DOES have periods of abnormal activity, it wouldn't just result in radiation

Corrolation does not mean causation.
HOWEVER
Corrolation can be a reliable predicator.

oh, I thought you meant that by examining solar activity, we can use that information to better understand earthquakes

not that the sun *causes* earthquakes

yes, true; coorelation is not causality. however, only an idiot ignore correlation when they don't UNDERSTAND the cause

correlation is cause for inspection

agreed

What do we have to lose?

Potentially everything, how much of a sitting duck do you feel like being today?

well, the speculation or postulating a theory in the absence of a direct cause only can be correlated with other effects elsewhere; like say on the moon and on Venus

True science is not concerned about the "everything" in this scenario. Worst case scenario, you lose some grant money..

if you find evidence that 'something' who knows what happens every 10k yrs or so on venus, and the moon and on earth... you can narrow down the cause pretty quickly

especially if venus showed signs of geological activity 10k yrs ago

I would not be surprised of it hasn't already in our lifetimes, just not measured properly.

it's just an excercise in looking for patterns and seeing when to use supposition and when to used hard evidence

the odds that civilization is only 4k or so yrs old is slim at best given the planet is covered by 75% ocean, much of the ocean floor still unseen

Not entirely on board with the implication but yes. It's a vast unexplored

Although- aliens.

More taboo than your mother's sex habits

Imagine
A Cthulhu-esque race down there.
Judging us.

also, what does it mean that earth's magnetic pole is accelerating southward?

that's something that is a hard-fact

Jesus, some of the shit down south...

the rate at which the pole moves every year is now 4x as fast as it was decades previous

very creepy

Some of the conspiracy theories that direction are interesting

that is quite likely due to the south west anomoly

as the pole moves south, the earth's magnetic field is no longer a dipole

it creates 'holes' where the field fluctuates and is more at risk to solar activity

Has it ever been? Dunno askin

Annnnd, soon we'll all go OCD levels for building pyramids?

I know other planets aren't dipoles

yeah, it is usually pretty uniform

And generally rotating molten metal is not exactly orderly

no one really understands how that mechanism works

i mean, how are earthquakes and the sun related?

mass, pull

Yeah I'm aware of the convection explanation

position

how could you

do the tectonic plates 'float' on the liquid core?

not entirely

You're not trying to oversimplify do yo

Hehe

if so, the core is like coffee in a cup when you are driving in your car

The thing about things is that they ain't simple

true

never is

you have intra forces and extra forces to consider

I haven't ever considered... Can a wired server still function in a faraday cage?

Uhh you need them cables go out of the cage dontchu

if the Ethernet port is shielded

most eth0 is twisted pairs

I wired server is wired until it isn't.

so as long as the server and client are both shielded, yes

But it's curious say how doable would it be to have a complex of buildings completely caged

only question is how the ground is terminated with the ethernet shield

And how much would that matter

this isn’t the IT department

This is sparta

As long as the server, keeping the data safe, is safe, the client can get fukked by a catastrophic solar event.

Oh shit wait

Not that

well, all depends on the amound of induced current

you can add as many bridges as you want, once you break wired, it's compromised

Don't the cages kinda vary in how much intensity they can take?

I'd assume so I'm no engineer

yup

You are dealing with mere thesholds

https://www.anonews.co/greta-thunberg-threatens-to-leave-facebook/?fbclid=IwAR3flMuJW2_REcVN_tUYlcGDMTe1YX9N31DN3RFhGZibs29DLt760qKHC78

well, all charge will be directed along the skin of the box

You underestimate the sheer power of overengineering.

doubtful

i've been an electrical engineer for 20 yrs now

Overengineering just makes more work for your Networkadmin, we always find a way...always

half of that time trying to make shit idiot proof

network admin? oh, that guy

why does he get paid again?

Someone needs to take one for the team and fuck Greta

to give you a reason to get paid

Not following KISS is a blemish upon overengineering.

Put a baby in there so she stops sperging around

truth

It's all making sure the pattern on the screen corresponds to the expected pattern :p

but there is "Keep it simple, Stupid' then 'Keep it simple FOR stupid'

depends on the contract

it's a loosing battle; god is always a better engineer; keeps improving his idiot design

Hehe ye I get that from management theory too :p

ah, management theory

Parkinsons Law

My """mentor""" at one job told me not to explain shit to anyone. I explained shit to one person and I regret it

throwing more people and resource at a late project will only make it more late

At least you can, through mental gymnastics, always have a better role model.

that is if people actually followed their roles

not these days