Debating isn't optimal for changing minds I find

Appeal to their feelings

true i just find it fun

About Orania though

I think on paper they've done some things right

Particularly the fact that they still exist and get very little media attention

That's a good point

They do a fantastic job at not garnering any hate nor negative attention

I've never seen them on any media here

I think it's a poor strategy overall though. You actually WANT media attention to grow, but only if you aren't overtly racist.

Otherwise you will just get demonized and crushed by public opinion.

I firmly believe that the 14 words aren't racist on thier own. And I think they resonate with all whites, even if they don't admit it.

The self loathing ones will of course scream racism. But deep down they know we are only asking for what any other ethnicity asks for.

I believe the 14 words should be applied to all peoples worldwide

Exactly.

Self Preservation is the most natural feeling creatures can feel

People know there's something wrong when they reject it

Back in a bit.

I also think the secret is making a point to avoid any talk or association with violence or criminal activity of any kind

Don't give (((them))) anything to justify opposing you and force them to reveal their anti-white bias

How are we progresswise on possible locations again? Has anyone been able to look any more into those?

ive looked into some myself

my current favorite is Mossy Rock WA

Rainy, secluded, lots of mountains and rain

Mossy Rock that was the one I was thinking of

I found one 10 mins from eugene http://www.landwatch.com/Lane-County-Oregon-Land-for-sale/pid/285365587

mossy rock looks like something out of an rpg

Any good sites available there for rellocating a few dozen people and their families for starters?

@dmac100 thats a mountain unfortunately

but area is nice, maybe to close to the city

Our best bet is 5 or 6 guys who move out in april to clear land and start building houses.

thats pretty optimistic

well, now isn't the time to move. Growing season is over and winter will soon be upon us.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/Swofford-Rd-82-00-Mossyrock-WA-98564/2098920369_zpid/

Some nice parcels at Mossy Rock

@Orchid I'd like to be close to a large city. We'll need supplies and jobs from a city in the begining.

@K_Wagner that place is way too expensive for us to afford without a (((loan))).

unfortunately i won't be able to move out for two years or so

A year to year 1/2 is a realistic timeframe for me

we just need to stick together long enough

Whoever is ready to move first gets to clear the foundation I guess

The rest of us will gradually join in when we can

mhm

yeah if you have the money then the sooner the better

it it will likely take much longer for others

That's how colonization works though, a bit at a time

as long as we remain united in cause and belief

That's up to each and every one here

Whether our number keep growing or stays like this, we'll succeed as long as we have dedication and quality brought to the table

yes

more Mossy Rock

nice rivers

forests

Looks like old Europe

a little bit

plus we'll be somewhat close to civilization right

which'll be a plus

Yep

It's about balance, far enough for probably it close enough for logistics

Before we're self sufficient we'll all be stocking up on canned food and other provisions the first year or so

tbh

i sorta see this new opportunity as a chance to re-build manhood as we know it

also it has perfect natural obstacles

As long as we hold ourselves to a high standard our there

create a new generation of strong, intelligent, willful men who understand hardship and work ethic

to get in you only have 2 bridges to shoose from

easily defendable

A bunch of us have mentioned we're former military. Although our plans aren't military, it does mean more than a few of us know a thing or too about hard work, survival, leadership, and organization

yes

Which are all very good things

i'm planning to head into the military

but i want to stay here and help build

the few can teach the rest

Right

which should come first: my duty to my race or my country?

In a perfect world they would be the same

feeding people is expensive, so will probably want to go in early spring when sleeping in a tent doesn't suck. then we can grow our own food and sell excess produce to raise funds for further expansion.

fishing

potentially ranching

should we actually build a farm + buy animals

And there's always the family hens and hundreds of cans of soup

@dmac100 you can just rent an apartment

you dont have to be survivorman from day 1

Ideally, it'd be a hotel for a week till a log cabin is built.

As much as a lot of you will hate this, I suggest getting some cheap trailers on the site

hiss

Until we build some cabins and what not

i wouldn't mind sleeping in maybe a hammock or something

during construction

of the first cabin

We could do shipping contanors.

that would cost a lot though

much more than a week's worth of sweat in building a house

perhaps two weeks, though

@ram3n that's my point. 6 men should be able to build a log cabin in a week. Then we keep clearing land to plant crops and grow a pasture.