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2018-09-06 00:29:28 UTC

In turn this causes the fish to stop reproducing as they can no longer get to their spawning grounds.

2018-09-06 00:30:30 UTC

This leads to a build up of heavy metals in the water and algae blooms due to nothing eating the algae anymore. This leads to the water becoming toxic and deoxidized.

2018-09-06 00:32:00 UTC

This isn't a hypothetical either. This is what is happening in Quebec.

2018-09-06 00:32:54 UTC

If you honestly believe that one can not ruin something for the many then you're ignorant, or you don't care.

2018-09-06 00:36:25 UTC

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 first off, who built that dam?

2018-09-06 00:36:47 UTC

It would be the one who chose industry.

2018-09-06 00:37:18 UTC

Not my question

2018-09-06 00:37:19 UTC

The community needs electricity to run machines.

2018-09-06 00:37:44 UTC

Unless you mean that ultimately the decision lies with the state to build a dam.

2018-09-06 00:37:56 UTC

No

2018-09-06 00:38:04 UTC

Who built that dam?

2018-09-06 00:38:13 UTC

Uh...

2018-09-06 00:38:19 UTC

In Quebec

2018-09-06 00:38:30 UTC

Oh, well that's stupid. It was Quebec.

2018-09-06 00:38:31 UTC

The one you used as an example

2018-09-06 00:38:44 UTC

So the province allowed it.

2018-09-06 00:38:47 UTC

In other words not a local community

2018-09-06 00:38:57 UTC

And the utility used the authority to build it.

2018-09-06 00:39:12 UTC

It was allowed by the community.

2018-09-06 00:39:24 UTC

Via the Democratic process.

2018-09-06 00:39:38 UTC

And lack of resistance.

2018-09-06 00:39:45 UTC

Democratic process is awful, but that is a side point

2018-09-06 00:39:48 UTC

It was also welcomed.

2018-09-06 00:39:56 UTC

As it created jobs.

2018-09-06 00:40:02 UTC

Neither does democracy = local community

2018-09-06 00:40:06 UTC

And an economy.

2018-09-06 00:40:33 UTC

And again, how does that mitigate the affect the one community might have on the others?

2018-09-06 00:40:53 UTC

Because democracy serves the majority interest, not the community interest

2018-09-06 00:40:57 UTC

I used it as an example of the effects a dam can have.

2018-09-06 00:41:11 UTC

Not as an example of building it.

2018-09-06 00:41:21 UTC

direct democracy serves majority interest

2018-09-06 00:41:24 UTC

Or by whom.

2018-09-06 00:41:26 UTC

not all kinds

2018-09-06 00:41:38 UTC

The US is technically a democracy and

2018-09-06 00:41:52 UTC

there isn't mob rule here

2018-09-06 00:42:00 UTC

I was just asking you what would be the punishment for such a transgression and who would enforce it?

2018-09-06 00:42:01 UTC

Democracy=gay

2018-09-06 00:42:07 UTC

Ur gay

2018-09-06 00:42:09 UTC

go away

2018-09-06 00:42:41 UTC

Don't reveal your power level Milk.

2018-09-06 00:42:41 UTC

Democracy in the us allowed the opening of the borders which was then a race to who could get the most voters

2018-09-06 00:42:52 UTC

That's irrelevant.

2018-09-06 00:43:11 UTC

our main problem is the supreme court tbh

2018-09-06 00:43:12 UTC

Sorry, but I couldn't let that stand

2018-09-06 00:43:18 UTC

and the federal government

2018-09-06 00:43:23 UTC

as a whole

2018-09-06 00:43:28 UTC

RABBIT TRAIL @Milk

2018-09-06 00:43:31 UTC

neither of which has to do with the democratic system

2018-09-06 00:44:30 UTC

The federal government is reflective of democracy though.

2018-09-06 00:44:43 UTC

Somehwat

2018-09-06 00:44:48 UTC

Somewhat

2018-09-06 00:45:12 UTC

iirc federal gun laws are unconstitutional

2018-09-06 00:45:17 UTC

yet we have them

2018-09-06 00:45:34 UTC

You're distracting.

2018-09-06 00:45:37 UTC

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 what I was trying to get at, was that every one of these examples you give of industrial development hurting communities I can almost guarantee it wasn't made at the local level.

2018-09-06 00:45:39 UTC

From the QotD.

2018-09-06 00:46:06 UTC

You say these decisions *should* be handled at the local level though.

2018-09-06 00:46:06 UTC

If we pay attention to historical context of the 1st Amendment you could make an unconvincing argument that any gun law is unconstitutional. But laws restricting certain weapons are in theory not unreasonable.

2018-09-06 00:46:26 UTC

This has nothing to do with today's QOTD

2018-09-06 00:46:26 UTC

And that they should have the authority to do these sorts of projects.

2018-09-06 00:46:39 UTC

Yes, Zexy

2018-09-06 00:46:49 UTC

I would prefer if it was completely left to states

2018-09-06 00:47:08 UTC

But some effects are unforeseeable, so I was asking what would happen?

2018-09-06 00:47:29 UTC

If one community made a decision that affected several others?

2018-09-06 00:49:46 UTC

If they can show that damages have taken place, they can sue them or settle some arrangement where the damages are fixed or paid for.

2018-09-06 00:51:00 UTC

Who enforces that?

2018-09-06 00:51:19 UTC

And who decides what a forest is worth?

2018-09-06 00:51:54 UTC

Either a court or a private arbitrator of some kind

2018-09-06 00:51:58 UTC

How do you gauge how much damage there is from losing a forest which provides food and resources for several communities?

2018-09-06 00:52:20 UTC

A single tree can be considered priceless

2018-09-06 00:52:30 UTC

And money will never bring those resources back

2018-09-06 00:52:31 UTC

So

2018-09-06 00:52:44 UTC

How do you mitigate this when money isn't enough?

2018-09-06 00:52:47 UTC

This is why you could make a settlement where the other community provides the lost food source

2018-09-06 00:53:08 UTC

So you would have a community starve its people?

2018-09-06 00:53:35 UTC

What?

2018-09-06 00:54:06 UTC

An industrial community isn't going to have much food

2018-09-06 00:54:20 UTC

If that community didn't have enough for both, would you have one go hungry?

2018-09-06 00:55:05 UTC

An "industrial community" as you are imagining it wouldn't choose to damage it's own food source.

2018-09-06 00:55:18 UTC

It's not the food source to them

2018-09-06 00:55:26 UTC

It's a good source for the others.

2018-09-06 00:55:27 UTC

However, you can have food industry

2018-09-06 00:56:01 UTC

That would be an agricultural community

2018-09-06 00:56:23 UTC

I'm just asking how an issue like that would be solved under such a system.

2018-09-06 00:56:34 UTC

No, I'm taking about industrialized farming

2018-09-06 00:56:35 UTC

When money isn't enough.

2018-09-06 00:56:57 UTC

Aaaaaand if the community were not that sort?

2018-09-06 00:57:19 UTC

They have food for their people, but not enough for two communities

2018-09-06 00:57:33 UTC

There is no "money isn't enough"

2018-09-06 00:57:34 UTC

Much less several.

2018-09-06 00:57:40 UTC

Hahahahahaha

2018-09-06 00:57:44 UTC

HAHAHAHAHAHA

2018-09-06 00:58:08 UTC

Alright. I'll just stop here.

2018-09-06 00:58:24 UTC

Money isn't enough to replace lives lost, and that's about it

2018-09-06 00:58:29 UTC

If you actually believe that.

2018-09-06 00:58:40 UTC

There is no point to talking to you.

2018-09-06 00:58:51 UTC

You haven't given an example where money wasn't enough

2018-09-06 00:58:54 UTC

Money can't bring back an entire Forest.

2018-09-06 00:59:02 UTC

Nor can it mitigate that income.

2018-09-06 00:59:07 UTC

Yes it can

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