I wrote 20,000 word papers on the Yugoslav wars for my english classes

I still don't think English classes did anything

The 8 hour education system only exists because of the 8 hour work day and that only exists as an arbitrary agreement between laborers and capitalists so that they stopped striking

If you'd like a legitimate system that currently exists, Germany is far superior to the American education system because it stifles (to a degree) progressive credentialism

Look to me it should be about allowing for kids to specialise in their passion and letting the free market in education speak for itself.

I wasted hours of my life in government schools that I wish I could have back.

@Omniconsumerproducts private schools with 4 hour school days were graduating kids more qualified in every subject than public schools in the 1960s

That's illegal now

I can believe it, I was failing math in public school and was taken to private classes on weekends. Became one of the best in class within a few months.

Honestly I went to the good schools and felt 99% of my time was wasted

Well I went to the bad, ethnically diverse schools.

and yea....

I went to that for one year

that was shit as well

Routinely got highest standardized test scores in my school then got C's for not turning in HW so I just totally gave up on the institution

All future schools will be online in VR anyway.

Public school just enforces mediocrity

yeah

Well honestly the only saving grace imo of public schools is free access to extracirriculars

hah I can sympathise with that, but nothing can be done until the government gets out of the way or starts slapping down some serious rules and enforcement on their institutions

If you didn't know teachers unions are blocking a republican backed bill that would allow for parents to get vouchers equivalent to the cost of sending their child to a public school

They'd be able to use this voucher to send their kid to private school, or fund home schooling

it's a fucking racket

add in that most home schooled kids aren't actually doing 8 hour days

yet receive higher scores

yea of course, any time someone risks having resources taken from them, they fight hard for them, regardless of the morality

they can say publicly how much they care for the kids, but reality is, everyone cares for themselves and families before friends and strangers.

Back in middle school I did homeschooling, I did eight hour days still but finished a year curriculum in 3 months

I think honestly if you destroy the teachers unions (socialist indoctrinators) and public schools (literally ran like a prison, espouse statism) society would be 1/2 way to fixing itself

@Griselda yeap

And got really good state test scores

It's the kid not the school

schools are inconsequential tbqh

No how do you come to that conclusion

Because good schools = good kids

It’s completely the schools

bad schools = shit quality niglet kids

you ever see a good school with africans and hispanics

is the other half race realism?

it's just IQ realism

Yes, the high school I went to. It was majority black and Hispanic and had some of the highest scores in my state

It was a private arts school

lmao

the exception proves the rule

also this is a private school

elite subsample

I’m not proving a rule Iwas asked

By you

?

IQ and race are linked. Either way, I know a tall Chinese person. If you had to blind pick for a basketball team, would you choose the Chinese guy?

Also high schools are set up today to favor a fucked up system

You asked if I’d ever seen a good school like that, and I said yes I have

Like for instance if you wanna get into a good uni

and are smart

go to the school full of retards

IQ and race are not linked

So that when you apply for Harvard or Yale you're #1

color doesn't have a factor in intelligence

makes no sense

Not in the way you think

@Deleted User et tu srs

brutus

you can account for averages, of course one does not directly mean another

what are you talking about

What are you talking about here?

IQ and culture/upbringing are linked. If you are raised by dumb people it will make it harder for you to rise up. With races being split statistically there has to be a difference. It has nothing to do with melanin in the skin.

I said race and IQ aren't linked

Okay, I disagree.

The genetic maximum potential IQ

It has everything to do with human tribalism

is entirely based on your genetic material

or lineage

but you have elite subsamples in each race

You can find 120 IQ niglets

then it isn't linked to race

it's just so rare it's inconsequential

logic cannot have exceptions

It's correlated and if you need to sift through a large group it's a useful tool

I kind of understand what you're saying

it's not directly related

It’s called a bell curve

it's just a good indicator of likelihood

Everyone knows that

You can find 60 IQ whites

and if you breed them with 60 IQ whites

you get a retard lineage

So yes they aren't literally linked but

In large groups you have regression to the mean

so is the bell curve illogical?

no

That’s the most basic backwards understanding of genetics I’ve heard in a long time

>grabbing a literal downie

>breed with a downie

>expecting kid not to be a downie

Downs is caused by an extra chromosome. They don’t always pass the defect down.

Yeah ignore that aspect

you get what I'm saying

I can't find the gene for 80 IQ

though we know it exists

You are right removing the defect and apply it to just low iq

yeah

Like we don't have a specific gene for this kid will probably have an IQ max in the 90s, probably in the 80s

Dumb and dumb don’t equal smart

so I didn't want to start the FIND THE GENE argument

But yeah I think every child has a genetic maximum potential mentally, just as they do physically

IQs don’t have a gene

ok honey

So is the solution eugenics + strong moral culture? to everything. 😃

free market is eugenics

most things besides communism and socialism are eugenic

I don’t think we do away with dumb people

They have uses

Dumb people fill market needs a lot of the time

look at cops

''so I didn't want to start the FIND THE GENE argument'' it's a good argument

They are affected but there isn’t an “80” IQ gene vs a “90” IQ gene. Brain chemistry is way more complex then that

Manual labor

Certain police departments ban you from working there if you score too high

if you find the gene you might have an argument

no

find the gene is autistic

non-argument

If I take two people who are 6'5 and make them have kids and their child will in all likelihood be 6'5

Oscar you can’t make an argument, and then just say that a rebutle is autistic. Let the adults talk

do I have to find a gene to prove that it's genetic

Yes that’s how height works

OK SWEETIE

you can't compare height to the complex brain

look up minnesota transracial adoption study

I have

You inherited the genes for the brain

Calling me sweetie isn’t a rebutle or an argument

I see no reason why it's entirely racial

the people who conducted the study said that the results were inconclusive

lmao

everything is inconclusive in that area

so why draw a conclusion

because it's likely

no there are other factors

It is simply a theory that he has

general theory

Hypotheses. I can guarantee nothing he’s saying is theory.

be careful when you just call something a theory, gravity is a theory but it's a scientific theory which is almost as good as it gets

Do you believe that race and IQ are linked through a genetic means @Griselda

It seems here you are making the case that probability is not logical to base any decisions on, because there will be a time, no matter how small the chance, that you will be incorrect.

It is silly to think all people are born with the same potential. People adapted to different areas of the world and had differing needs. This would effect the brain development.

@Zavjeru people agreeing that IQ is racial saying that genetic differentiation between people who appear to be the same race cannot lead to the same thing happening, an IQ gap.

really makes u tink

race and IQ are linked

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610339/dna-tests-for-iq-are-coming-but-it-might-not-be-smart-to-take-one/

Race and IQ are linked because of genetic clusters

So there can be intraracial IQ gaps that are huge too

of course

but race is the best easily identifiable way to estimate

you can't say race and IQ are linked

it makes no sense

saying they are not does not make sense to me

maybe I am wrong, im open to hearing the case for both!

make, form, or suggest a connection with or between.

no connection huh

different races are shown to have different IQs on average. there are always outliers to this but the data speak for itself

There is also no real connection with survival rates when falling from 10,000 feet and parachutes

because someone survived a 10,000 foot drop without a parachute

y'all are going into this with the assumption that IQ is genetic

to justify that IQ is based on race

the data seems to suggest that

you're assuming that it's fixed to say it's fixed

the data doesn't say that

culture could be a factor

literally someone's environment

y'all are going into this with the assumption that parachutes increase safety
to justify that parachutes are good to use when falling

well whats your evidence that its not? because my evidence that it is can be shown via bell curves and regional test scores

I added onto that Gwyn

literally you can survive 1/1,000,000 times without it

''you're assuming that it's fixed to say it's fixed''

@Deleted User if you have evidence that race and IQ arent linked id like to hear it

there is no evidence to suggest it

to suggest that they are?

yes

there have been multiple studies done i can link them if you would lik

unless they know the specific gene that fixes someone's IQ then don't sendit

send it

show the specific gene that sets someone's height

You can actually do that thi

Tho

they haven't found the specific gene yet

IQ isnt biological

for height

it does not mean that (maximum, barring shit like malnourishment) height is not very obviously a genetic thing

they dont know the specific gene for a lot of stuff but that doesnt mean things arent determined by genes

Whos an authority on this stuff? must have been debated online

no one

biology is a meme field

where people yell "find the genes"

and refuse to accept any link between race and IQ

how does skin color determine IQ

this actual shitposting occurs in real biology btw

it's why biologists who become race realists are outcasted

they're political slaves

Im on a biology discord tho

Dont know if they ask questions this deep

I'm saying for research unis and such

you get kicked out

for asking this question

because they know the answer

race is not just skin colour though

@Zavjeru that's what I said

well race is a fucked word

use haplogroups

which is basically race but more specific

they like to argue the word race

yes

because muh caucasians are the same as scotts meme

so stop saying ''race''

@Deleted User skin color doesnt determine iq, but the same genes that code for your race code for your iq as well. skin color doesnt determine iq tho

haplogroups obviously exist

races are similar haplogroups

ur autistic if you can't accept that

^^^

good

that's more specific

so I should be saying these is a link between haplogroups and IQ?

if I wish to being this up

probably for autistic people

who can't accept race = similar haplogroups

and assume race is a social construct

of skin tone

it's wordfuckery

Also the find the gene argument is a meme

don't even respond to that

there's obvious genetic causation where no gene has been isolated

in hundreds of things

sure

don't find the gene

in these studies, is culture accounted for

That seems like a good rule. To immediately say haplogroup to people I know, it would require explanation of the word. However it would diffuse the hostility people sometimes show when race is mentioned.

is culture accounted for in height

or predisposition to alzheimers

bipolar

etc

no and it's widely accepted these are genetic

I mean, specific european cultures seriously changed the native cultures with colonisation, but when given back to its natives, the culture reverts does it not?

you'

we're debating on whether IQ is fixed because of genes

and you justified by claim by stating your claim, you said ''x is y because x is y''

"Iq is fixed"

u wot

I said there is a maximum potential at birth presumably as a result of genetics

In the same way there is a maximum height at birth presumably as a result of genetics

I've said ''fixed'' multiples times