Foetus =/= person

Wrong

yes they are

they can evolve

while a fetus

despite the fact they are still growing

Just because you are growing does not mean you arent life

by that defenition 19 year olds arent life

I never said that was the case

I said a foetus is not a person, I made no comment on it being a life

it is a person

Aside from the human/not human status of a foetus do you have any other objections to abortion?

It is not natural

mothers are supposed to protect their babies

we were made that way

mothers that get abortions have a very high rate of suicide

compared to women who kept their "unplanned baby"

I am not familiar enough with the stats to debate that point

Heh

And thats according to a finnish study

where it is legal

excuse me

Allow me to ask you - is it morally good to bring a person into the world when you are aware you don't have the facilities or capabilities to care for them?

"Restricted to cases of maternal life, mental health, health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors"

in finland

basically legal

Hell ya it is @Angry Almond

@chill with that shit why?

because I would rather be poor than dead

They still deserve a chance to live, even if it wont be as exciting or important as other people

Poor is not the only factor

Mental illness, disease, lack of a stable home environment

Same thing goes

I still would like to live

Unless the child is in hardcore agony and pain, i see no reason they shouldn't live

Unless the mother will die I see no reason to kill it

Its not right to put a baby into the world thats juet gonna have a screaming painly slow death @Da_Fish

I agree with @chill with that shit on that

If the baby will die right after birth

than fine

Not after birth, over the course of lik3 a year it will be in non stop agony and pain

but thats the exception rather than the rule

thats the problem with this debate

So you both say death is the only excusable reason?

they act like it is all women who got raped or mothers who will die

No quality of life is worse than death?

@Angry Almond extremely painful death

And no

those exceptions make up 3 % of the cases

Most of the time a girl got knocked up **consensually**

What's your stance on children of rape?

and didnt buy protection

they should be allowed to live

Foster care @Angry Almond

^^

Correct me if I'm wrong @Da_Fish you're a man, yes?

Don't bring that into the debate

^

what about all the babies who are male who die?

can I represent them?

I think you are misinterpreting my reason for asking

this is a sjw tactic

Asking your gender?

"ImAgInE CaRiNg FoR a BaBy YoU DoNt WaNt"

Ya

sometimes we have to make sacrifices for our mistakes

getting knocked up is a perfect example

*use protection*

I agree contraception should be step one

not free

btw

Why not?

Because I should't have to

+

A pack of condoms is like 12 bucks

why am I subsidizing that?

You say these accidental children must live because their parents have to live with the consequences of not using protection. It stands to reason then that you should desire to make said protection as readily available as possible

Dude

I can go down and get a thing of condoms for like 9 bucks

^

You don't need fucking subsidies

Did you always have $9 to spare as a teenager?

Yeah

Yup

because I was fucking smart and saved my money

Does every teen have that same advantage?

Im not an idiot

I worked for my money

^

What kind of idiot teen would fuck a chick without a condom

Thats the real question

^

Don't be an idiot

I'd generally agree there. I don't let a dude near me without evidence of protection

and dont give the benefit of the doubt if she says "I took a pill"

I lost my virginity at 13, and i went down to wawa and got myself a 6 dollar thing of trojan

I mean its real easy

Precisely

I gtg

See ya