thats the point of gender

its different from sex

The question is, to what degree?

To the degree of the female brain and the male brain

Nonsense ,it's defined by biology

**sex** is defined by biology, **gender** is not

Nonsense. Since when are they different

That's... that's what gender is

Gender is a biology term too, it can't just be redefined as weird ppl see fit

That's the point of it

It's not biological

Gender and sexuality are synonymous

sexuality ≠ gender ≠ sex

No that's wrong

Care to elaborate?

<:popcorn:518788890216235010> I would like to see your argument @Shabam

Also hello Madeline nice to have you on board

hiya

Dictionary

An easy way to put it is
Gender = Brain
Sex = Genitals

Sexuality = What you're attracted to

gender is social and mental, with a difference between gender identity and gender expression (and presentation)

sex is biological and based on a lot of factors, including genitalia, hormones, etc (also not a binary)

sexuality is what genders (or lack thereof) you are attracted to, and is mental

I like my simplification better tho

Doesn't take as long to type

lol

O gohun

btw, according to dictionary.com the definition is:
```
either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior: the feminine gender. Compare sex(def 1).
a similar category of human beings that is outside the male/female binary classification and is based on the individual's personal awareness or identity.
```

@Shabam

We'll dictionary.com isn't the standard. U mean a real dictionary.

That's obviously been updated by the fetish groups

do you have any other argument other than a semantic one?

lmaoo

lol wat

Lmao

Try Oxford english maybe

If that is the def you want to use, then it doesn't mean anything. Sex then is the only scientific usable word at that point

You're free to dilute the meaning of words but there's no reason for anyone else to follow

well, language is defined by the users, and gender is most commonly defined nowadays in the way I quoted

and its easy to dismiss an argument if you get hung up on how people choose to define a word

here, I have a question

what do you think being transgender means?

If you dont even know what being transgender is then you cant even have this discussiontbh @Shabam

That's someone changing between the two, easy

@Madeline <3 gender is not defined that way except by unauthritative sources

Changing between the two what?

Genders

Or sexes, but they're still their DNA based gender

Changing sexes more or less

there is no such thing as an authoritative source for language

it is defined by the users

btw, what being trans means is that you identify with a gender other than your assigned one

Trans means
Brain ≠ Body

I often see people fail to make the distinction between transgender and gender dysphoria, and they claim being transgender is a recognized mental disorder. Being Transgender is gender nonconformity.

Or you just get those who fail to see gender as a social construct and claim any nonconformity is messed up.
Altho, if Gender isn't a social construct, then what is it? Biologically programmed behavior?

Both, actually.

I wonder how that could be tested

Good question

As far as I'm aware, analysis of brain structures has shown that transgender people have some brain structures of the opposite sex

I thought all the evidence in sociology indicated gender is quite fluid.
Like, masculinity is hardly natural to men at all, it is socially constructed.

Regarding the brain structures, I am not sure, it could still have to do with the way we interact with our environment and take in information.

The differences were found in the basal brain structures, the one formed during development in the womb.
And besides, it's been proven repeatedly that men and women have structural differences within the brain that leads them to be good at different things.

Men tend to have better spatial awareness, while women tend to have better comprehension skills

Stuff like that

@AstralSentient upper body strength differences between men and women is NOT a social construct

"Men tend to have better spatial awareness, while women tend to have better comprehension skills"

you find gender affirmation in the weirdest places

Yet all the greatest thinkers in history are men

Scientists and inventors

So much for that comprehension

woah its almost as if women have been unfairly and unjustly oppressed throughout history

@Madeline <3
"You find gender affirmation in the weirdest places"
The hell is that supposed to mean?
If you're insinuating that there are no differences between the male and female brain, you've got a lot to learn. And if transgender women have female brain structures, but a male body, it stands to reason that gender is based within the brain itself.

i'm saying that i'm a trans girl with good comprehension and bad spatial awareness lol

Are you a man acting as a female?

i am female

who has been pretending to be male

Ok well you're male

But you're free to behave as you like

As long as it doesn't infinge on other people's rights

no i told you im female

or wait

shit i dont remember which one am i

help i forgot my gender

i just remembered i have a dick

wait no i don't

lol

😂

But in terms of gender, we have no indication of it being biological.

Like femininity and masculinity

@Shabam
*Yet all the greatest thinkers in history are men*
Women didn't have the same opportunities in society throughout history. That changed surprisingly quick recently.
So I think we know why that is

@Madeline <3 You have bad spatial awareness and good comprehension because your brain structures are more female than male

@AstralSentient B's, men are stronger because of biology

No training will change that

Can someone sum up what we are talking about and what arguments have been made thanks

True, I don't deny that. I'm referring to gender norms.

@AstralSentient gender roles follow the lead of nature. Men , masculine, women, feminine

Can a man give birth?

Any direct evidence for that?
Otherwise it is just assumption.

Men can give birth

Also being stronger and proving the constructed idea of masculinity are very different things

@Madeline <3 men can give birth? This stuff right here is the problem