What is so appealing about government taking your money and giving it to lazy piece of shit losers?

whats so appealing about letting people who no fault of their own are in a terrible position and helping them out?

No fault of their own?

Gimme an example?

company goes out of business

so, no job to pay their morgage

or varius other bills

what about all the Enron employees who retirments got wiped out because their bosses lied and committed fraud?

or you are in a car acciendent, cant work, and have massive hospital bills your insuence doesnt cover

That's called unemployment and insurance

well, considering in the example i gave insurance didnt cover it

Nothing is free

Right now there is more jobs than people looking for jobs

and many of them you need spesfic skills or to be in a certain place to get those jobs

If there wasnt so many illegal aliens in America there would be a lot more money for the people you are compassionate about

i can tell

😛

I'm not against helping ppl

Lol

I'm against people sucking off the system

how is crippling medical debt sucking off the system?

The church used to and still does help those in need

Government is not responsible for paying medical bills

Not for every single person

It can make it so people are able to pay

The other problem with socialism and communism is the people in the government have way to much power and they become corrupted

It's never worked

Socialism you can argue has

Socialist capitalist..but at what cost? Is it sustainable?

Yes

If we had open borders?

I dont think it is

To much corruption for one

The government pigs need their beach houses and luxuries

The corporate pigs cant give up anything

So the burden is left to the "middle class" which is now the low class

I agree, ww should tax the rich and business more

If you tax the rich more it only hurts their employees cuz they reflect it

It hurts the customers also

I dunno. I suppose economics is a shitty game

yeah, macking it so they cant give billions of dollars in stock buy backs and dividends is really helpful for everyone

@Satan *stuffs mouth with meat*

Why are you pro choice?

Eugenics?

pfff, you dont need aboritions for eugenics

i can kill babies in the womb or outside of it

not that hard

You can, but should you?

You never answered my question. WHY are you pro choice?

Yeah @DrPeper I can’t wait to hear this one. 😃

>no death penalty role

>pro choice role

🤔

Yes. Some tend to contradict themselves.

@modest I like you. 😂

Were the Podesta brothers connected to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? The resemblance to the suspects’ composite sketches are uncanny. 🤔

https://youtu.be/EpJqXSxS-c8

I just don't understand the logic in thinking killing a murderer/rapist is immoral but thinking that putting a needle in the head of a baby is just fine!

Though I am against the death penalty because I think the sweet release of death is too good for anyone on death row.

They deserve to live a long, miserable, life.

But that's just me.

I have to be honest with you. I never looked at his roles too closely. It seems kinda weird. 🤔

@DrPeper Someone has a legitimate question. What is your reason for being against the death penalty, but for abortion?

If your argument is for eugenics, that's a logical argument that I can't refute. But many believe that women should have the choice to kill the baby in their womb. I just don't like the fact that we're allowing women to "play God" and dictate what constitutes as life and what doesn't based on her desire to be a mother.

@modest What are your thoughts about the new bill passed in New York last week. About abortion being allowed right up to the moment of delivery?

I think it's disgusting and the fact that the signing was followed by cheers is even more startling. Our society has become morally bankrupt.

I agree.

Just because a woman's body acts as a vessel for a baby doesn't make it right to deny that baby it's right to life. That is one right we are ALL born with, and they're taking it away.

Think of the millions of babies that could've done wonderful things for our society had they been given the chance. Very disheartening imo

The passing of that bill is pure evil. I think even the pro-choice are shocked by it.

My question is...why is there a need to extend the time to make a decision? Why allow a baby to reach full term before making such a horrific decision? It was bad enough already. It’s just evil!!!

Now the governor of Virginia wants to allow 4th term abortions. Wtf? Why don’t they just call it what it is. It’s murder.

It has never been about "women" or their "reproductive health" it's always been about the dead babies and how much they can profit off of it. The more developed the baby, the more money.

If you notice in the text of the bill it reads "life threatening or health" not necessarily medical health. This could be applied to mental, fiscal, or just any broad "health" reason really.

It’s my understanding there are many that are satanic worshippers. It is viewed as a sacrifice to Moloch.

https://youtu.be/B5uC08N2Iv4

Yep! I was reading about that too.

It seems Like Gov. Ralph Northam is receiving a lot of backlash from his statements and rightfully so, but at the end of the day the politicians will do what they want or what brings in the big bucks.

I mean, just look at Ireland.

I’m sorry. I’m somewhat out of the loop on Ireland. 😳

What’s happening there? Are we talking about Brexit?

No, they legalized abortion in Ireland despite massive protest.

I don’t understand it. Why go against the popular opinion of the people?

It’s greedy and evil politicians serving their own needs...that’s what it is.

I agree.

It's never been about the people, only profit.

I hate to break this to you. Remember your question about vaccines?

Yes. What about?

There are some vaccines that contains cells from aborted fetuses.

I believe they are cloned cells from the kidney.

I know, I read that too. Its one of the many reasons i'm trying to do research on the subject.

😞

It literally makes me cry. 😢

I see you're a theist, what denomination are you if you don't mind me asking? (Assuming you're a Christian ofc)

I am of Christian belief, but not necessarily an organized religion.

Yourself?

oic

I considered myself Agnostic for a long time but recently regained my faith in God. Been itching to join a church for awhile.

I've never been much for organized religion either until recently.

We have religious discussion here on our server. 😃

One of the reasons why I’m not a fan of organized religion. 😮

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47134033?ocid=socialflow_twitter

This is disgusting. 😢

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/06/porn-actress-mercedes-carrera-producer-boyfriend-child-molestation/

Either they are pitifully trying to dupe us or they are incredibly, incredibly stupid. 🙄

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democratic-sen-chris-murphy-blames-trump-for-obamas-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia

The reason i am against the death penalty is because the justice system isnt always 100% correct @The Gwench @modest

@modest dont be stupid. Health means physical health. No wear in any law does health not mean physical health. Fiscal health isnt a legal thing

I mean I see your point regarding the death penalty as the justice system can be faulty, but it's still quite contradictory. You're against the death penalty off the chance that someone on death row is innocent but on the other hand you're ok with the killing of innocents?

health
the condition of being sound in body, mind, or spirit

As i have said before, i think overall its a useless debate. There are other ways to solve the issue that everyone can be happy with. Better sex education, aviable contraception, and better finacial support

Also, i dont think that forcing a mother to have a baby is good for the baby. Brb

🙄

That might be the strangest comment I’ve ever read. I guess killing the baby is better. 🤔

Women make their choice when they decide to have sex, they know having sex can result in a baby even when using contraception. Many women know they never want to have children and could easily get their tubes tied but instead they want to be reckless and are dependent on abortions.

No one would be forcing the mother to raise the baby, she could put it up for adoption.

Someone talking about women rights? <a:ablobaww:525374551635525634>

No

O

A baby’s rights.

lol

^

So women's rights

Nope. The babies rights.

Everyone should have a choice to their bodies

Women do?

dont you love it when you try and have a debate about anti-vax and the other person ditches it?

oh sorry

that was me

Lol

Meaning the woman holding the baby should have the choice to do whatever she thinks is better to the fetus

So you think women should have the right to decide what constitutes as life and what doesn't?

@Soldz (CF) Is it ok with you that a mother abort while she is dilated and about to deliver?

Probably not

But not my body so <:ThinkShrug:356705760488587264>

Exactly. At what point is a fetus no longer a fetus, but a living human and an innocent soul?

One sec

@The Gwench

@modest Also this ^

@Soldz (CF) That’s old news.

The parameters have changed and they want to broaden them even more.

O really?

@Soldz (CF) Dud you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood is a known racist?

god bless him

That kinda goes off topic

It was started so that black communities could be eradicated. That was how it was started?

Proof?

I doubt that is the case but even if it was it clearly has grown into a bigger business with helping people

Of all races

... I'm just gonna leave now
*Don't get involved, don't get involved*

@Soldz (CF)

https://www.frc.org/op-eds/margaret-sanger-racist-eugenicist-extraordinaire

@gohan come back

@Soldz (CF) Idk what your point with that image was. I'm against abortion at every stage and I think it's only justifiable under instances of rape & incest which make up less than 2% of all abortions. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@gohan Me thinks Soldz needs saving. 😂

Abortion is going to stand either way, but I'm curious to know why you are against it

@modest#1392

@Soldz (CF) Also also I think Gwench brought up race because abortion largely affects the black community. PP was started by Sanger who created it specifically targeting black women.

@Soldz (CF) Because it's murder?

Inconvenience isn't enough of a reason to take a life.

lol ok

@modest Like I said...I like you. 😃

You too!

Depending on the stage I will agree, but I am most likely to disagree with it being murder during earlier stages of pregnancy

@The Gwench Idk if Soldz needs saving, but I already understand that Soldz and I don't see eye to eye on this matter... Or most others, actually

Are there a lot of pro choicers here?

Are there racists here? Yes to both

There are racists everywhere

Excellent.

Anyone and everyone is allowed here

Bedside the pedos

I'm a bit of an enigma when it comes to abortion 😅

Pro-lifers and pro-choicers hate me

Since when

Since I started debating abortion

You seemed pretty pro 'life' last time we had this debate

Pro-lifers hate me because I accept that abortion is permissible in certain cases. Those ones are entirely against abortion. I, on the other hand, am not

Assuming that every pro 'llifer' is against certain cases

Certain cases like what?

Rape, incest, the fetus already being dead (idk why it's called an abortion then), cases where the mother might die, stuff like that

Well yeah, those are all justifiable instances.

lol *incest*

Why that one

But for some reason, most pro-lifers start attacking me the instant I say that there *are* instances of justifiable abortion

But a woman wanting an abortion due to inconvenience is not a valid reason. But it seems to be the number one reason in most cases.

Because in a lot of cases of incest, it's also rape. Secondarily, that child will have a much higher chance of being born with fatal genetic disorders. Obviously if it was consensual, and the child appears to be healthy, I'm against abortion.

So just more rape

Huh

A moderate approach that I can appreciate @gohan

I tend to be moderate on most things. I took that political compass test, and I was dead-center, no deviance whatsoever

I wish I had screenshotted that

I was just ever so slightly to the right of center.

I can agree with most of these but I disagree that women shouldn't have the right to an abortion just because you don't know where they are coming from/don't care unless something illegal happened

I should take that test again, sometimes our views change and we don’t even know if.

@DrPeper Where you at?

Did you run away? 😂

@Soldz (CF) Perhaps we'll never agree on abortion. Just as I will probably never be able to satisfactorily explain to Citizen Z why the DSCOVR images actually make sense.

True

(by the way, they do make sense, if you know enough about how the EPIC camera was put together)

O

But I digress

Disagreements on abortion stem from one discrepancy: does life begin at conception, or at birth?

As long as that goes unresolved, these arguments won't end.

At birth obviously

At conception

See the problem?

The problem stems from the definition of human life

Its pretty obvious where life starts

Yes

At birth, and for certain reasons

At conception, and for certain reasons

What are your reasons

You first

Brains before beauty

Age before ugliness

lol

@The Gwench no i had class

What is the age range of this server?

2-100

🙄

I never said it was useful.

I just like healthy margins

18 - 67 @modest

14

I think

There's a 67 year old in this server?

o:

Yea

Who?

@^Kevin^

Wow

The retired gamer

See i wasnt that off

The based boomer

Old person who knows the internet

I thought Kevin was 50 or thereabouts. I am quite sure of that.

he an old man

Hello :)

@The Gwench May I ask why anti Satanic themes?

Seems a bit misplaced is all.

Not really. How do you mean?

Idk just seemed random haha

Do you mean LaVey's satanism or Lucifernarianism

BANANAS

Hallo

applesauce

7th Panzer Division

Something else to add to the Clinton Conspiracies? 🤔

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/06/china-blood-plasma-hiv/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

probbly not

@DrPeper You never cease to disappoint me. 😂

well, i am glad i am entertaining

I meant predictable. Lol

v.v

i will try to do more random things