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2018-09-25 09:31:54 UTC

it solves linear wave equation

2018-09-25 09:32:07 UTC

3d wave equation

2018-09-25 09:32:09 UTC

Yes, many things nothing to do with the aether solve a wave equation

2018-09-25 09:32:19 UTC

the ether implies wave equation

2018-09-25 09:32:29 UTC

wave equation is basicly the ether

2018-09-25 09:32:29 UTC

No, basic maths implies the wave equation

2018-09-25 09:32:34 UTC

No it's not at all

2018-09-25 09:32:47 UTC

so what does the ether imply?

2018-09-25 09:32:50 UTC

That's obviously completely untrue. Is a wave in a pool due to the aether?

2018-09-25 09:33:12 UTC

The fact that waves can exist in an aether, does not mean waves cannot exist without an aether

2018-09-25 09:33:27 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/494078976185335819/b857474c712893a40f0b430176f871bc_zpshhwvcgcw.gif

2018-09-25 09:33:35 UTC

you do know the ether is the idea that there is a medium that transmitts the waves right?

2018-09-25 09:33:55 UTC

Yes

2018-09-25 09:34:01 UTC

That transmits waves of light

2018-09-25 09:34:06 UTC

Not any wave

2018-09-25 09:34:10 UTC

Einstien did away with the Ether

2018-09-25 09:34:25 UTC

^ Kevin is right there, a stopped clock is right twice a day

2018-09-25 09:34:29 UTC

someone was saying that was where he made a mistake, you need a medium for light to move thru

2018-09-25 09:34:48 UTC

just because that is an assertion I saw doesn't make it right or wrong

2018-09-25 09:35:04 UTC

I did no thought into it other than to note the assertion

2018-09-25 09:35:32 UTC

so give me an experement that implies an ether

2018-09-25 09:36:03 UTC

actually tell me what an ether actually means

2018-09-25 09:36:25 UTC

A medium for the propagation of light is what the aether actually means.

2018-09-25 09:36:31 UTC

yes

2018-09-25 09:36:50 UTC

altho its simpler than that because all you can tell is that there is a medium but cant tell what the medium actually is

2018-09-25 09:37:22 UTC

the properties of the medium are up for question tho

2018-09-25 09:37:28 UTC

No, it is not simpler than that.

2018-09-25 09:37:36 UTC

ok

2018-09-25 09:37:42 UTC

The aether is a medium for the propagation of light, not anything else.

2018-09-25 09:37:48 UTC

ok

2018-09-25 09:37:55 UTC

so how would you know there is a medium?

2018-09-25 09:37:59 UTC

Water, a medium for propagation of water waves, is not an aether.

2018-09-25 09:38:09 UTC

ok tell me how you would know there is a medium?

2018-09-25 09:38:46 UTC

You would know there is a medium by seeing what there being a medium predicts, and testing it and seeing if this matches experiment. If it does not match experiment, there isn't a medium.

It's been tested, it does not match experiment.

2018-09-25 09:39:15 UTC

that depends on the properties of the medium tho

2018-09-25 09:39:50 UTC

lorents ether theory simply states that the ether is a motionless medium that follows the wave equation

2018-09-25 09:39:54 UTC

Every aether model, does not match experiment.

2018-09-25 09:39:57 UTC

false

2018-09-25 09:40:08 UTC

lorents ether theory simply states that the ether is a motionless medium that follows the wave equation

2018-09-25 09:40:18 UTC

Lorentz's aether model states a **lot** more assumptions than that, and regardless, does not match experiment.

2018-09-25 09:40:25 UTC

the wave equation has properties that allow those results

2018-09-25 09:40:39 UTC

The medium also does not follow the wave equation.

2018-09-25 09:40:45 UTC

Propagations in it do.

2018-09-25 09:41:05 UTC

dont be that picky with what i say

2018-09-25 09:41:16 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/494080943561113600/wave.png

2018-09-25 09:41:20 UTC

... No, if you say something untrue I will correct it.

2018-09-25 09:41:36 UTC

the medium follows the wave equation

2018-09-25 09:41:49 UTC

i will stand by that because you know what i mean by that

2018-09-25 09:41:58 UTC

No, it does not.

2018-09-25 09:42:13 UTC

I know what you mean by that, I also know what that means.

What you mean by that, is not what that means.

2018-09-25 09:42:21 UTC

in the first 8 minutes of this globe busters video they talk about math not matching reality

2018-09-25 09:42:28 UTC

ok what does it actually mean when i say that?

2018-09-25 09:43:01 UTC

When you say that it means exactly what it says. The medium follows the wave equation.

It doesn't. Propagations in the medium do.

2018-09-25 09:43:17 UTC

tell me what it means instead of stating what i said

2018-09-25 09:43:25 UTC

It means exactly what it says.

2018-09-25 09:43:31 UTC

The medium follows the wave equation.

2018-09-25 09:43:41 UTC

i dont see a problem with that

2018-09-25 09:43:50 UTC

There isn't any simpler to put it. The medium does not follow the wave equation, propagations in it do.

2018-09-25 09:43:59 UTC

i donmt see a difrence

2018-09-25 09:44:13 UTC

exsept my way is more general

2018-09-25 09:44:20 UTC

I don't see how you can't see a difference. Your way is not more general.

2018-09-25 09:44:32 UTC

e.g. waves in a pool follow the wave equation. The pool does not.

2018-09-25 09:44:40 UTC

This is very straightforward.

2018-09-25 09:44:51 UTC

A propagation in a medium, is not the medium.

2018-09-25 09:44:51 UTC

any states of the medium thru time follo0w the wave equation

2018-09-25 09:45:19 UTC

the wave equation has no consept of propogation

2018-09-25 09:45:29 UTC

....

2018-09-25 09:45:38 UTC

the wave equation = u_xx=u_tt

2018-09-25 09:45:45 UTC

.... Yes, I know.

2018-09-25 09:46:09 UTC

this seems to be a problem of semantics

2018-09-25 09:46:14 UTC

and its not an important one

2018-09-25 09:46:19 UTC

thats why i said dont be picky

2018-09-25 09:46:20 UTC

No, it does not, it seems to be a problem with you not understanding what you're talking about

2018-09-25 09:46:37 UTC

iits a problem with you not willing to drop it and move on

2018-09-25 09:46:46 UTC

as its not important

2018-09-25 09:46:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/494082380479332372/wave.png

2018-09-25 09:47:08 UTC

Ok we'll drop that you're talking nonsense and don't have a clue about what the aether is and move on then

2018-09-25 09:47:10 UTC

this is a particle moving at 0.707 the speed of light

2018-09-25 09:47:15 UTC

to the right

2018-09-25 09:47:55 UTC

you simply apply the lorentz transformations and it remains a solution to teh wave equation

2018-09-25 09:48:06 UTC

(i use a modified version of the wave equation tho to render this)

2018-09-25 09:51:26 UTC

the wave equation i perfer is iu_t=u_xx

2018-09-25 09:52:15 UTC

yes it does break the symmetry but so does adding more dimentions

2018-09-25 09:52:30 UTC

... I thought we were dropping this nonsense you don't understand?

2018-09-25 09:53:12 UTC

i cant drop something i dident pickup

2018-09-25 09:53:17 UTC

i dident pickup nonsense

2018-09-25 09:56:56 UTC

im not advocating ether as a theory

2018-09-25 09:57:08 UTC

im simply saying its not contradictory

2018-09-25 09:57:16 UTC

with relativity

2018-09-25 09:57:22 UTC

(special relativity)

2018-09-25 09:58:07 UTC

and that relativities origins came from ether

2018-09-25 09:58:29 UTC

Yes, I have agreed with an exceptionally convoluted and unnatural model of the aether you can predict the same results as special relativity. But add in gravitation, and even very unnatural aether models can't fit the results.

2018-09-25 09:59:33 UTC

true

2018-09-25 09:59:38 UTC

well actually i dont know

2018-09-25 10:00:08 UTC

there are ether theories that are consistent with general relativity but so far ive heard its convoluted

2018-09-25 10:00:22 UTC

unless its convoluted in its derivation process

2018-09-25 10:00:57 UTC

There aren't aether theories that are consistent with general relativity

2018-09-25 10:01:02 UTC

i personaly think in science its more lijkely true if its foundations are simpler not its derived predictions

2018-09-25 10:01:18 UTC

altho they are less usefull

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