Every nation was imperialistic and opportunistic before early 20tg century

@Mord you see here the Floridian in its natural habitat

@Mord dont tell me thats real

You implied that ottomans were evil because imperialism

everyone doing something doesnt make it right

Imperialism and opportunism is fine as long as europeans do it

Imperialism can be bad, it depends.

It's not necessarily bad.

Yeah but i said how were ottomans bad compared to other nation states at the time

also, national self-determination is at odds with imperialism because it steals another nationality's own sovereign right to self determination

but when someone I disagree with ideologically, culturally or biologically does it, they are evil

@F-Star thats ehat i meant

I am seeing a lot of blocked messages

i didnt compare the ottomans to any of their contemporaries @MrSpac

one of the thots must be talking

thus they are placed lower in the hiararchy of civilisations

Nevermind i thought you answered ny question

@Emanon who did you block

I blocked every haven trooper besides camille

what's the question

based

also I blocked the one thot who is a voice mod because alex is an orbiter

but arent you supposed to not block them if your staff

I don't care

thots survive by feeding on the attention of orbiters

starve them of attention and they wither and die

Can someone please get rid of haven trooper role off me

Take it RAW! Take it all the way down RAW! 😼

I asked senator why are ottomans considered evil when compared to other empires at the time

@a lone father k ask leaf

And he said something like uhh turkish culture sucks

https://twitter.com/Cyranek/status/1053419901686292480

great answer

yt when I remove kebab

[Emanon:4005] when I remove kebab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW3AAsYRSfY

turkish culture is kinda sickening

^

epic and kekworthy

Not an argument

what are we arguing

Idk

The evil nature of evil empires in not that nice of times?

Imagine having slavery, rape, and usery as a foundation to your expansionist doctrine

*usury

Usury

usury is indeed degenerate

Its not that bad

I refuse to take out any loans or have a credit card

ottoman empire was evil because of slavery and imperialism was my argument

my credit score is nonexistent

Yeah youre right

And no, not everyone has done it

But theyre a quite lenient empire in most history

I can think of a lot of empires and nations with those as a doctrine

ahahaha delet

every one of them evil

federal buildings

Thats my point

Less Turk, more 🍆

hey kid

hey kid, want to mail turks to federal buildings ?

at the same no matter how many other empires do something evil, if you're doing evil you're still evil

turks aren't even really turks, is the fun thing

most of their DNA is arabic and other semitic peoples

real turkmen live in turkmenistan and other central asian countries

But living under ottoman rule about 1600s is better than living under most nation in history

LOL

x to doubt

Ust like archaic persian empire were quite tolerant for their times

Yeah having your ports blockaded, your island raped

the persians were an empire of satrapies who all paid duties and levies to the shahanshah, or king of kings

Women sold into slavery

it is an entirely different system

@F-Star you have to admit though, a lot of people here will be inconsistent with this application of morals

just because the shahanshah didn't subjugate the lesser kings very much, doesn't mean that the lesser kings themselves weren't tyrants

a lot of people are stoopid

Very honorable war expansion doctrine

@Emanon i compared the life of a lower class person between those empires

well then that still entirely depends

@bvrgr🍔 ottomans were ok with breaking morals if it meant it was for the greater good

for example in the ottoman empire a lower class person who wasn't a muslim would have a very different life from a lower class muslim

Yeah

the ottomans pressed a lot of balkan christians into military service as the janissaries

either that or used them as oarsmen on galleys

not that different, you are aware for several centuries non chrisrians were not allowed to own property in medieval Europe

1 male child from every family i think

But think about drafting

Its much worse than that

only to keep the jews at bay 😏

the modern draft system is retarded in most countries, I don't disagree

Ottomans sucked off jews

When europeans do it, its epic

when turks do it, GRR DEGEN GRR

Europeans didn't

men can get drafted but not women, in the us

"muh empowered wymyn"

K you sound triggered for some reason