Communism did nothing wrong. They just starved it wasn't communisms fault. This is what you sound like.

Fucking blue pill of a different kind.

@Dennafen not an argument.

communism worked like planed. it was never inteded to be good for people, it was to exploit and enslave whole nation and get every resourse out of peoples hand.

and nazi germany and italy didint fail per say.
they were defeated.

Okay Stefan Molyneux bot. I agree it's not an argument that's why I threw it in your face.

I made the same argument you made for fascism for communism it's an idiotic argument.

what you mean?
germanys economy was strong and it brought propsperity, people were happy.

Show me stats that show Germans being happy during it's fascist regime. That's something you pulled out of your ass because you fetishize Nazis, not an actual fact.

_technically_ there were a large amount of people that were happy. There was also a large section that wasn't.

what kind of "happy" statistic you want🤔

Anything that's not you making something up because you adore Hitler.

Yeah there were a lot of people that were happy under stalin, that it was arguably the greatest super power known to the world at it's peak.

Communism is great isn't it?

Again this is what you sound like @Jasse

This is your argument.

Oh yeah. And no one ever feigned happiness under threat of being killed for not following party doctrine.

In Nazi germany, everyone was a nazi

you weren't allowed to not be

Fascism was a new form of socialism, because they thought the comies were too soft on their people.

in all fairness, fascism is a more practical version of socialism

So is comunism.

Well yeah it takes into account that humans are actually humans

Communism is designed for bugs

communism is an ideal that has never been achieved

communism is the least practical

Stalinism?

Let's go with that.

5 year plans were succesful in industrialising Russia

Yeah, when you throw your civilians into a wood chipper you can get some results

@Dennafen https://youtu.be/LQdDnbXXn20

USSR was not a Communist end-state. Nobody has achieved that. The boot process is fucked

All I'm saying is that Fascism fucks up countries, as much as communism does, and it's only slight better because once the initial ruler dies it falls apart.

Lol yeah soldiers are touting party doctrine, Surprise surprise. Civilians please

also hitlers definition of socialism have nothing to do with communism.

Yes they were good engineers, and them having 30k ton presses was a real useful tool for their war machine, they're still an oppressive, authoritarian blight on the world.

But the good engineering was because Germans are good at it, not because the Nazis made them better.

Good for him?

And it did.

So there's that.

These soldiers aren't defending fascism, they're saying "Fuck these stupid communists they are trying to take control of Europe"

Which they were

Socialism is a derivative of communist ideals.

All socialism.

All. Of. It.

nordic coutries work based on that nazi germanys doctrine.

`The separate individuals form a class only insofar as they have to carry on a common battle against another class; otherwise they are on hostile terms with each other as competitors. On the other hand, the class in its turn achieves an independent existence over against the individuals, so that the latter find their conditions of existence predestined, and hence have their position in life and their personal development assigned to them by their class, become subsumed under it."`

>private property
>command economy
Wut

Marx on the individual

So Hitler never read Marx, what a suprise.

probably read the Jewish Question, though

The communist manifesto is but a step in individual freedom according to Marx.

Just as being subserviant to the state is a step toward individual freedom according to Mussolini and Hitler.

Because they're all fucking socialists.

https://mises.org/library/nazi-economic-policy

Liberal as long as it was to serve the state.

As long as you could produce things the state said they needed.

yes. state should be self sufficient and not relay on exports as much.

missed the point

Yes, yes he did.

elborate then.

The state dictated what private industry was to produce.

It was not a free economy.

It was controlled.

It was dictatorial.

It was bad.

***But they were happy that they had no freedom***

Checkmate (((free-marketeers)))

lol

economical policy was pretty much same as in nordic countries right now.

Not even a little.

Nordic countries are cucked anyways. Who would even care.

I don't know about all of them, but Denmark is NOT a planned economy.

now you are contradicting economic model to immigraiton policys.
nice.

They have an extremely strong free market, but then are just taxed out the ass.

I wasn't aware that Nordic countries nationalized private industry and relied on a wartime economy

Who are the Swedes annexing this week?

The word you're looking for is "conflating". And I'm not conflating them, I'm just saying ***Sweeden Gay***

but what that has to do with economic policy?

Nothing because it's a joke

Also they're not a planned economy.

@Beemann and your understanding of german economic model is weird.
it didint relay on war time economy...

Yes it did.

Just as ours did.

Hmm, Nazi =/= Grammar Nazi it seems.

"didint relay on"

But they did though.

english is my second language.

>US pulled out of the depression because of the war
>Germany's economy got gud while they were declaring war on everyone and focusing on armaments
🤔

Oh cool, what's your first? I just assumed you were actually illiterate like the rest of the Neo Nazis I talk to.

That's my bad

It's not a war time, it a spring time for Hitler economy!

war was declared on germany.
not by germany.

and during that time germany build their road network and railroad network that are still in good use.
and industry in general was prospering.

they changed whole banking system.

Wow so many things wrong in one post.

Wait wat wait, didn't the war start with Germany invading places?

Just cause they didn't say "We at war nigga" doesn't mean invading places isn't them starting a war

>germany peacefully annexed Czechoslovakia in violation of the munich agreement

They did change the banking system, to turn it into a country sized laundering scheme, the industry that was created was for weapons of war, and the road network was to transport said weapons of war, so they could invade other countries.

>germany peacefully invaded poland after creating a hoax attack in which no germans died, but several dead poles in ww1 uniforms were recovered

Annexation is still an military invasion.

why would the poles wear ww1 uniforms to attack germany you ask? Obviously to make the germans seem crazy when they reported the truth!

Russia recently "peacefully annexed" part of the ukraine

Get out of here with your bullshit jasse

Idk much about Ukraine except more than 50% of people voted for them to join Russia tbh

Yeah 99% of Russia votes for Putin too.

Totally not rigged.

Yeah, that's definitely a point.

Don't worry about it, it's not a communist dictator, it gonna be a fascist one in Russia this time, so at least it will fall apart once he dies.

If russia falls apart it will be time to panic

I press F to all my Blyats in Russia that just wanna be free

It fell apart before, we'll be fine.

The collapse of the USSR resulted in the largest windfall of arms and experts in various types of specialized warfare

Chemical, Biological, Nuclear

Yeah, well the world hasn't ended so, we got that going for us.

Several countries began nuclear programs during this time period

they were able to preserve the nuclear weapons, although they had to scrap large amounts of nuclear arms during the treaties in the 90s and 80s

US is going to end this world.
they have said they will srike russian missle sites.

and after that nukes will fly.

Mhm and how much of that talk was acted upon during the cold war

We will not fire nukes.

If the russian government collapses tons of weapons and experts will enter the market

yeah. US only needs to srike those missle sites and russia will launch nukes.

Yeah and the US isn't going to do that

The US will not launch nuclear missiles.

Orange man talk big, Orange man only do if necessary.

<:npc:502497359419408384>

You are familliar with MAD right jasse?

Orange man can talk all he wants, he can press the button. The United States will not launch a nuclear missile.

it was in news few monts back. that US secratary or someone said they would strike russia if they dont stop their hypersonic nuke plans.

Right and it won't happen

No.

Just like how they were super going to nuke NK we promise

We wanted to pull out of the nuclear arms treaty.

>russia develops nuclear weapons outside of a treaty

Well orange man said he wanted to.

Right

And if they're doing it we should do it to.

and that will end well...

That's what he saying.

b-but the us will end da world

Orange man words are working. Orange man talk big to scare enemies. It's scaring you into believing the US is gonna yeet the world.

Nuclear proliferation actually did work out pretty well last time tbh

Im sure the russians will schedule a demonstration in a few months time

Well see that it doesnt violate the terms of the treaty and this will be all over

For the moment its benefical to both sides that they have a boogeyman to be scared of, it helps both leaders rally support behind them

This is no different from the north korean saber rattling, a world leader who wants to have a war of words with an opposing power for popular support wont back down until he gets what he wants

Oh yeah, Russia loves to use the US as a boogeyman.

I'm surprised nobody ever brings up Italian Fascism
*wherein they hired a classical liberal to run their economy, and where one of the big prevailing notions was that you needed a good economy to properly drop capitalism*

Did they realize that having a good economy and dropping capitalism means dropping the good economy?

Also they only had a good economy because of a war time economy.

Also no one brings up Italian Fascism in this convo because it's really hard to argue that beloved dictator was beloved when he was drug by the neck through the city streets while the people cheered.

Oh shit I didn't know that. Good job Italy.

Well basically Marx figured that once you have the good economy you can just keep things as they are and socialize everything, to oversimplify the theory

It's why fascists don't like motorcycles it's a real drag for them @DrWittMDPhD

Fuckin zinged

Which is better than trying to industrialize a bunch of farmers

The great leap forward?

Really both Stalin and Mao were guilty of this to varying extents

Stalin even got the good farmers killed first. Gottem

stalin was really good at killing own people.

And so was Hitler. Lots of Jews were German citizens <:Think:388633465748193281>

bUt teH HolOhaoX

you are confusing nationality and citizenship.

Never5get how many ex Germans were part of the Manhattan Project

No I'm not. Ethno nationalists are mental midgets. I'm talking about civic nationalism ;)

jews really deserved it after causing german revolution.

Mhm, blame the jews for everything. It's (((they))) who are to blame when you run out of toilet paper.

Wot, but in the end it was Hitler who caused total political upheaval

And he had attempted a coup prior

If we're arguing that revolutions r bad lol then the fashy bois are still just as guilty of undermining the Republic

Yup we've discussed this before. Secular Jews are the ones that can fall into the marxist shit.

None of these people are going to synagogue.

so we agree that gas all secular jews then?

First of all, since when do you care to make that distinction? You lump in Ben Shapiro with Karl Marx all the time.
Second, no because it's a small cabal of secular jews that do this.

yeah better gas all jews, just to be safe.

Also its super gay how you say shit like "Gas the Jews" and also "It never happened, BUT IT SHOULDA"

Even these Jews shouldn't be gassed, cause gassing people is fucked.

Was waiting longer than I expected for that last remark

gassing is painless and peacefull way to die.

I love peacefully feeling my lungs peacefully turn to peaceful hot peaceful liquid

No it's not.

The tools you use will eventually be used against you

I'd rather not get v&

depends on gas.
but thats how animals are killed

I can't tell if jesse is troll or he actually believes the stuff coming out of his mouth, well fingers but i'd imagen it'd come out of his mouth too.

What animals? Lots of slaughter animals are hit with pistons in the head

He's not a troll in that his words are insincere. He believes all this shit

If you mean put to sleep, no it's an injection not a gas.

If you for food, no they're punched in the head.

By a big strong guy

Jab to the dome

Get fucked pig

I got one for you guys. Do you think it's fair to call Kekistan a reactionary movement?

I think it is.

Yeah it's a reaction to ID pol

I actually support it for the most part but still.

its meme

It's also a meme.

I don't think reactionary has to be a bad term

its just meme. its not really movement.
or well some people took it to extreme i quess.

The US involvement in WWII was reactionary to those fuckin nips

I would call it a reactionary movement against ID politics.

People push the meme because it undermines a narrative

no. US cut japans oil supplys and forced japan to act.

Cause Japan was ass blasting Asia

The US invaded china...

and us held islands in the pacific.

yeah japan was blasting asia.
and then US decided they wanted to go against japan.

It's like how the US responds now to foreign powers goin fuckin nuts. Apply some economic pressure in the hopes that the stop being fuckin nuts.

Because they were taking our allies land...

It's how allies work.

Kamakazi Nips isn't the appropriate response to being sanctioned for raping manchuria

Kamakazi wasn't a thing until near the end of the war.

To be fair to Japan.

and also this happened😂

Yeah and also Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Get fucked

yeah. americans comiting war crimes.
and killing civilians instead of fighting like man.

You mean like how the Germans bombed civilian targets and killed their own prisoners, just like japan did?

Yeah and the Nazis did no such thing. They didn't use explosive ammunition on the Eastern front, that eventually was also used on the western front.

The majority of all casualties in WWII were civilian. Don't try to pin that on just the Allies.

>whaaa strategic bombing is murder

Nah nah nah, the German bombing of Britain was fine. No civilians live there anyways

Why would the americans want to kill Japanese civilians ? All their soldiers do is execute, starve, and work prisoners of war to death

It's a gigantic base

Oh yeah... Also the Holocaust. Even though you're gonna say "It didn't happen, BUT IT SHOULDA"

It didn’t happen, BUT IT SHOULDA

Its not as if the japanese raped their way through china, korea, and the south pacific. What possible justification could the americans have had to bomb civis?

all is fair in love and war right ?

Unless you're america

What the Allies did to Japan, yeah. We should have been worse cause Anime exists.

>the bombs caused anime
>not knowing that the japanese were personifying their warships as cute girls in the 1920s

The bombs did nothing

Just saying, if all of Japan was a smoldering heap there would be no anime.

Maybe 3 or even 4 bombs weren't enough, but 1000 might've done it <:Think:388633465748193281>

they wrote/drew hentai as early as the 19th century

Okay, I don't think you're understanding my point (joke). If every single square inch of japan was turned into glass, there would be no Japanese left, and no anime.

oh no i get your joke

im just saying by 1945 were too late

gotta push it ahead 200 or so years

"Too late" as a concept relies on the assumption that there's no off switch

Lots of fuckin radiation is a good off switch

the wwii arguments of 'omg some nation did war crimes' gets dumb because every major nation involved had moments far into the wrong side of history

*hurr durr war crimes omg*

ya no shit

it was wwii

what about after WW2 and raping and killing of germans...

Yeah after WW2, immigrants are raping women and girls

Oh wait too far in the future