I'm really concerned about how the current orthodoxy basically has no ability to deal with other forms of dysphoria

Where we're getting trans-able activists and shit

ofc they still have all other rights, the contention is always about the additional protections and rights they get in liu of being trans

Well, it's all very confusing to me, because having met and worked with plenty of trans people, I'm almost certain they (the ones I've met, that is) would prefer not to be recognized particularly differently from their preferred/desired gender unless absolutely necessary; which is why I am skeptical about people who identify as "trans" rather than just as a chick or dood.

Well we said gay was okay

And that's faulty wiring as well

it is ok, and faulty wiring

brains are so complicated our brains cant even understand them

That's another thing I find strange yeah, the recent trend towards identifying as a reminder that you transitioned

But we have to say gay is normal now

if you HAVE to, i pitty your environment

It is okay but not normal 🤔

Broken arms and psychosis are not immoral. There is of course some difficulty around mental health affecting a propensity for immoral behaviour: the question arises as to whether being broken absolves you of responsibility for some actions in some circumstances.

When studies show that actually mental health outcomes tend to be worse when trans people are identified as trans and not their preferred gender

but yes i imagine many places where that would get you BTFOs

So I am sympathetic to the argument that there is room for specific protection of mental disturbances from scrutiny, in some circumstances.

Which was one of the arguments in favour of "preferred pronouns"

i dont believe there is room for specific protections of mental illnesses if those violate others rights (to free speech for example)

I mean, five years ago I was just humouring it, and it was okay, and nobody was hurt.

Now you have to do some dance between _noticing_ and _not noticing_, at least in some circles, it all gets very confusing.

people who cant live in free society cause of mental illness belong in a psychiatric institution, its what they are there for

Mental outcomes tend to be worse for me when people don't recognize me as a famous basketball player rather than a physical laborer

i mean if youve ever had a friend whos schizophrenic and was having a psycosis

🤔

indulging their delusion is the last thign you want to do

I think the problem is that there's not a lot of nuance in the primary positions

is there ever?

It's either you're for the whole package or against the whole package and neither is a viable solution

i mean ive had it happen

@JULZIFICATOR Yeah, though it's complicated, because it's not necessarily true that you should contradict the delusion directly either.

yeah exactly

calling them crazy as its happening is pretty much a no-no

not many people subscribe to international enlightened lone wolf alt centrist collective viewpoints

not to mention can be dangerous

>lone wolf
Just look at the data

its part of the joke

lone wolf and collective

get it?

Anyway, for the time being it is actually still a pretty easy issue, in terms of the social side.

Sure I recognized it was a meme label

its like with the muslims, how they are always lone wolfs

Just didn't want to write it all out

where i was with a buddy, who started tripping talking to his brother that wasnt there telling him to fuck off and leave him alone and that it was cuz of him that he was having these problems

what do you call a pack of lone wolfs?

Most actual trans people are not involved in the politics, and it is easy to get along.

had to calm him down till it stopped and he went to sleep before i left to go home

Just as most women you'll meet are not feminists (in the sense of belonging to the current political movement known as "feminism"), and most men you'll meet are not particularly involved in their own gender politics either.

i concur, much trans politics is just a hammer for authoretarians to use to get their way

had yo go for a 2-3 week hospitalistation when it happened again a week later

But the point is that
>data shows people who transition have better mental health outcomes when you refer to them as what they transition to
>this supports referring to say, an MtF as a woman
>this supports not referring to them as trans all the time

How do you guys feel about MGTOW?

It's whatever. Some of em are cringe some are fine

they are free to go their own way

Men Getting Teary Over WOmen

but i cant imagine a person actually benefiting from that in the long run

heheh

I understand the thought process and as long as they aren't going incel tier I don't care

still they are free to do it

And again, recognizing me as a nobody rather than a high ranking member of society has worse outcomes for me

lol better htey get out of the gene pool

You don't have to do either tbh

The Free Cringe Movement

I fully encourage everyone else to get out of the gene pool, to make way for me.

I can't believe they managed to make incels more or less a hate group

😂

i mean jsut the label incel is kindaof stupid

It is yeah

i mean it was a real term befor ebut has been co-opted

most of them are voluntarily celibate

just REEEEally lazy.

Kick them while they're down, why doncha?

XD they jus mad they cant find their alt right waifu but also have her be a 10/10 hottie

and engaged in a collective delusion of inadequacy

On the one hand, they need to get their shit together
On the other hand a lot of them are absolutely unbearable

turns out there are plenty of shitty girls for these shitty guys to smash.

nah they are mad they believe they cant get anyone

which they consider an injustice

The greatest problem of our time

many would settle for a landwhale, if they could land one

yeah i mean theyre essentially progressives for 30 yr old virgins

I don't think there are many girls that shitty

do we really want incels and big red types mating

"How do I help someone who is a complete fuckstick? And should I?"

i mean arent liek 5 yr old incels?

believe me, @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth, they can have one if they'd like.

and is that not a good thing?

@Atkins yes, I want to see where this eugenics branch goes

No

Do they neutralize each other or become supreme dickwads?

Holy shit it's conversation again and everyone treating incels like a group and not a status.

Well, I'm glad it's gone where it's gone.

It's like when people say "white culture"

5 year olds are voluntarily celibate

What the fuck are people babbling about

the kids will rebel so hard and become plain as white bread

of should i use the example of a 13 yr old instead

a horny 13 year old that wants to fuckkkk

cuz puberty

if men who are susceptible to this delusion are flocking together, and making themselves reviled by society, then things will sort themselves out

13 year olds aren't necessarily celibate 🤔

Can we just agree that online dating has fucked EVERYTHING UP.

the next generation will be stronk like bull

This isn't a solely online dating problem

is he incel because he wants to fuck but cant get nun

Especially if they are wiggers 🤷

And can we agree on the fact (not opinion; fact) that this generation has been getting the least sex since their grandparents?

Online dating has made the girls here much more awkward when approached in public.

In fact the larger problem also caused the culture of online dating

picking up chicks in Ontario is kinda dangerous.

XD im glad i live in quebec for that reason

ayyy :- )

the Métis girls are nice.

The larger problem?

because i speak both french and english i got the largest choice lol

yeeeee bud i know a few that are fine AS HELLLL

Pump and dump is a faulty idea.

Is it?

It is

I can't believe we pretend it has an equal stake in the conversation.

What about groom and zoom?

You're getting intimate with people you have NO INTENTION of spending your life with.

>groom
Pedos get out

There should be some intention.

That ghosting article is actually really telling

XD i mean as much as pump n dump is not great, getting married to your first or second boyfriend at 17 is not great either

I hope you aren't criticizing refugees rn

It's important for completely unintended reasons

@JULZIFICATOR making relationships about sex in the first place is a recipe for disaster

No one said to get married young.

No one..

I don't agree with any of this

"I am dumb."

And you are calling it fact

"You are smart."

Make an argument

Baseline disagreement counts for zilch my dude

Well, the thing about the land between _pump 'n dump_ and _teenage brides_ is that if women let them, 80th percentile guys will have a lot of fun in this range and never really want out.

Well

Outright ghosting seems lame

But more nebulous relationships aren't horrible

There's also a couple studies that suggest that wahmen are less happy in relationships as a result of this, on average

And tend to have better boundaries

Pump and dump is akin to littering.

Fun, convenient, and locally unsustainable?

Well I'm not sure what to call my method so I might have to take a seat

And once one admits I'm right about that, there's so much else they can't deny anymore.

like what?

At what measure is pump and dump?

I'm not going to respond to that question.

Either, actually.

Well then you are the obstruction here lol

I mean, I'm no advocate of pump 'n dump, but there are some ladies who behave in a manner conducive to it, and it doesn't feel like it does me any harm while I'm doing it.

Sure, that's fine.

not that it doesn't do me any harm

Littering doesn't do YOU any harm as you're doing it, no.

We're at war.

We gotta just make sure we get ours.

Here in Ontario, I kinda want the _fire and forget_ ladies to suffer for their bad life decisions.

😐

We're not at war.

"We"?

i mean idk when i do that shit im not closed to the idea of having a relationship with that person

and from my perspective, I get to enjoy a good old _toss and take cover_ -type evening.

<:ancap:392889760844349460>

Lick my anarchy balls.

(&GTFO after you're done)

_hops in ride, makes quick run._

They're not conducive to good relationships.

smash teh gash n dash

But conducive to good relations.

tho im that guy that tends to linger after lol which some girls appreciate lol

Certainly not, and it certainly doesn't _feel_ like I'm producing a _good relationship_ while it's happening.

😐

the smash,sleep smash again and leave on good terms type

Does anyone actually care

About what?

Like holy shit, everyone just wants to be edgelords

though really you can tell when its not appreciated

And it never seems to end.

"Okay but as for solutions"
"Nah still burning shit"

I'd rather at least have one if both isn't an option.

i mean i dont mind womens exploiting me for my big peener if we're on the same page 😛

They certainly don't.

Well, you keep saying that it's improper to _masseuse and vamoose_, and we agree, but the contention from our side of the argument is that it takes two to tango.

We got it. Rhymes.

Hilarious.

And it is too entrenched to do much about on their end.

Ultimately if chicks accept shallow relationships, and don't police eachother, it's just how things shake out.

They don't, largely.

lol at this point chicks encourage and promote shallow relationships

You act as if they act on what is good for them and their wants aren't hypocritical.

in certain cirlces

like uni

im jsut always weary of the 3 am drunk af stagglers

Because the risk to guys is lowest. I can "litter" all I want and it actually seems to make my life better.

This video is perfect in how it sums up what's wrong: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLH_ph74Es>

lol never know when one getting blackout drunk ends in accusations of you dateraping them

That girl (or at least girls like that) think of prerequisites as mere preferences.

Well, one nice thing about Ontario is single-party recording consent. Though that doesn't get you off the hook if you have intoxicated sex, which I advise against in general.

but i have walked really drunk girls home like... not to smash

She's willing to 0% success rate the entire mission, if she has to bend on any of her preferences.

and them fuckin inviting me in and trying to force me to fuck lol

This is unacceptable. This destroys society.

I agree

what are _you_ going to do about it?

im just like NEOOOPE

I'm blocking xorgy for his stupid ass question.

I am not in any position to change the behaviour of women in general.

thank god most of the times their roomates are there to help me out lol

You are in a position to not continue the trend

She's willing to 0% success rate the entire mission, if she has to bend on any of her preferences.

What do you mean?

if not though i have to be really straight up lol makes me feel bad but ya gotta do what ya gotta do

nobody knows, @♓♏♋

At the end of the video, everyone leaves.

Are you referring to *hypergamy*?

She's failed. And she did it to herself.

I'm at work

And yes, it is also that.

Can't watch

Explain what happens

She whittled everything down to an impossible standard.

REQUIRING height is asinine.

Which she does.

Oh the hot Asian chick?

She needs a guy not only taller, but taller when she's in heels.

You have a pretty loose definition of hot.

yikes

that video is ugly

Really?

... Yes.

Y'all don't think she's physically fit?

She's okay.

Who cares though?

she's okay, but meh

She sucks yeah.

But she isn't ugly

She's ugly on the inside for sure.

I wouldn't want to deal with her

lol id date that

But of course, she would act a lot less ugly if she wanted you.

based on purely supercficial reasons

but yeeeeeeah those requirements

id be like, well ya gott ahave at least B cups

OH SORRY UR DISQUALIFIED

Here's the thing... I want to have a wife in the future. I have earning potential and work well with kids and all, but I am so young. If I start looking now, I will miss out on a major advantage I have in the marital meat market.

yeah i feel ya

Requirements like those go out the window with the right conditions.

Apparently not.

I spend 90+% of my time working and becoming better at life, so my standards are going to be pretty high by the time it matters.