I'm really concerned about how the current orthodoxy basically has no ability to deal with other forms of dysphoria

Where we're getting trans-able activists and shit

ofc they still have all other rights, the contention is always about the additional protections and rights they get in liu of being trans

Well, it's all very confusing to me, because having met and worked with plenty of trans people, I'm almost certain they (the ones I've met, that is) would prefer not to be recognized particularly differently from their preferred/desired gender unless absolutely necessary; which is why I am skeptical about people who identify as "trans" rather than just as a chick or dood.

Well we said gay was okay

And that's faulty wiring as well

it is ok, and faulty wiring

brains are so complicated our brains cant even understand them

That's another thing I find strange yeah, the recent trend towards identifying as a reminder that you transitioned

But we have to say gay is normal now

if you HAVE to, i pitty your environment

It is okay but not normal 🤔

Broken arms and psychosis are not immoral. There is of course some difficulty around mental health affecting a propensity for immoral behaviour: the question arises as to whether being broken absolves you of responsibility for some actions in some circumstances.

When studies show that actually mental health outcomes tend to be worse when trans people are identified as trans and not their preferred gender

but yes i imagine many places where that would get you BTFOs

So I am sympathetic to the argument that there is room for specific protection of mental disturbances from scrutiny, in some circumstances.

Which was one of the arguments in favour of "preferred pronouns"

i dont believe there is room for specific protections of mental illnesses if those violate others rights (to free speech for example)

I mean, five years ago I was just humouring it, and it was okay, and nobody was hurt.

Now you have to do some dance between _noticing_ and _not noticing_, at least in some circles, it all gets very confusing.

people who cant live in free society cause of mental illness belong in a psychiatric institution, its what they are there for

Mental outcomes tend to be worse for me when people don't recognize me as a famous basketball player rather than a physical laborer

i mean if youve ever had a friend whos schizophrenic and was having a psycosis

🤔

indulging their delusion is the last thign you want to do

I think the problem is that there's not a lot of nuance in the primary positions

is there ever?

It's either you're for the whole package or against the whole package and neither is a viable solution

i mean ive had it happen

@JULZIFICATOR Yeah, though it's complicated, because it's not necessarily true that you should contradict the delusion directly either.

yeah exactly

calling them crazy as its happening is pretty much a no-no

not many people subscribe to international enlightened lone wolf alt centrist collective viewpoints

not to mention can be dangerous

>lone wolf
Just look at the data

its part of the joke

lone wolf and collective

get it?

Anyway, for the time being it is actually still a pretty easy issue, in terms of the social side.

Sure I recognized it was a meme label

its like with the muslims, how they are always lone wolfs

Just didn't want to write it all out

where i was with a buddy, who started tripping talking to his brother that wasnt there telling him to fuck off and leave him alone and that it was cuz of him that he was having these problems

what do you call a pack of lone wolfs?

Most actual trans people are not involved in the politics, and it is easy to get along.

had to calm him down till it stopped and he went to sleep before i left to go home

Just as most women you'll meet are not feminists (in the sense of belonging to the current political movement known as "feminism"), and most men you'll meet are not particularly involved in their own gender politics either.

i concur, much trans politics is just a hammer for authoretarians to use to get their way

had yo go for a 2-3 week hospitalistation when it happened again a week later

But the point is that
>data shows people who transition have better mental health outcomes when you refer to them as what they transition to
>this supports referring to say, an MtF as a woman
>this supports not referring to them as trans all the time

How do you guys feel about MGTOW?

It's whatever. Some of em are cringe some are fine

they are free to go their own way

Men Getting Teary Over WOmen

but i cant imagine a person actually benefiting from that in the long run

heheh

I understand the thought process and as long as they aren't going incel tier I don't care

still they are free to do it

And again, recognizing me as a nobody rather than a high ranking member of society has worse outcomes for me

lol better htey get out of the gene pool

You don't have to do either tbh

The Free Cringe Movement

I fully encourage everyone else to get out of the gene pool, to make way for me.

I can't believe they managed to make incels more or less a hate group

😂

i mean jsut the label incel is kindaof stupid

It is yeah

i mean it was a real term befor ebut has been co-opted

most of them are voluntarily celibate

just REEEEally lazy.

Kick them while they're down, why doncha?

XD they jus mad they cant find their alt right waifu but also have her be a 10/10 hottie

and engaged in a collective delusion of inadequacy

On the one hand, they need to get their shit together
On the other hand a lot of them are absolutely unbearable

turns out there are plenty of shitty girls for these shitty guys to smash.

nah they are mad they believe they cant get anyone

which they consider an injustice

The greatest problem of our time

many would settle for a landwhale, if they could land one

yeah i mean theyre essentially progressives for 30 yr old virgins

I don't think there are many girls that shitty

do we really want incels and big red types mating

"How do I help someone who is a complete fuckstick? And should I?"

i mean arent liek 5 yr old incels?

believe me, @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth, they can have one if they'd like.

and is that not a good thing?

@Atkins yes, I want to see where this eugenics branch goes

No

Do they neutralize each other or become supreme dickwads?

Holy shit it's conversation again and everyone treating incels like a group and not a status.

Well, I'm glad it's gone where it's gone.

It's like when people say "white culture"

5 year olds are voluntarily celibate

What the fuck are people babbling about

the kids will rebel so hard and become plain as white bread

of should i use the example of a 13 yr old instead

a horny 13 year old that wants to fuckkkk

cuz puberty

if men who are susceptible to this delusion are flocking together, and making themselves reviled by society, then things will sort themselves out

13 year olds aren't necessarily celibate 🤔